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Originally posted by dj2becker
If you believed that the use of drugs and alcohol was wrong, would you be brainwashing your kids if you told them that?
I wouldn't brainwash my children no. I wouldn't attempt to brainwash anyone's children. One doesn't need to brainwash children in order to educate them.

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Originally posted by FMF
What threats? What punishments? What rules? Give me examples. We are discussing what you described about the abuse you suffered. I don't see the parallel with my undergraduates ~ whom I treat as adults. What existential-level threats do you think I hold over them? And what testimonies do you imagine my ex-students would be making about my 'rules and punishments' if there were a web site dedicated to their memory of being under my care and mentorship?
How about, if you drink alcohol in my classroom you will be expelled from the school?

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Originally posted by dj2becker
Would you classify teaching your children what you believe to be good morals as 'brainwashing'?

No. It can be done without brainwashing.

So what qualifies as 'brainwashing' in your opinion?

The stuff you described about the way you were brought up.

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Originally posted by FMF
I wouldn't brainwash my children no. I wouldn't attempt to brainwash anyone's children. One doesn't need to brainwash children in order to educate them.
So how would you educate them on what is right and wrong?

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Originally posted by dj2becker
How about, if you drink alcohol in my classroom you will be expelled from the school?
And what is this an analogy for?

How is being expelled from school analogous to a child being shunned by your family, sent to hell, and treated like a leper?

If a child was drunk, I'd be thinking in terms of their welfare and solving the problem, liaising with their family or social services, rather than punishment.

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Originally posted by dj2becker
So how would you educate them on what is right and wrong?
Without using brainwashing techniques.

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Originally posted by FMF
[b]Would you classify teaching your children what you believe to be good morals as 'brainwashing'?

No. It can be done without brainwashing.

So what qualifies as 'brainwashing' in your opinion?

The stuff you described about the way you were brought up.[/b]
How can it be done?

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Originally posted by FMF
Without using brainwashing techniques.
Give me examples.

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Originally posted by dj2becker
The words I wrote were 100% my own words, anyone with half a brain who actually bothers to open the link and read what is written there can see that. You claim that I copy/pasted stuff is a lie. Are you ever going to own up to this lie?
In the situation I was referring to, you (FMJ) copy pasted from a website exactly as I stated previously. This may not be the same situation that FMF is talking about, but it happened nevertheless. I'm quite sure you will deny it and that's fine.

Thread 168868 may by the one FMF is referring to, it is not what I was talking about.

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Originally posted by dj2becker
Give me examples.
No. I am not going to discuss my children or my family with you. I haven't mentioned yours.

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Originally posted by dj2becker
The only proven liar here is you.
This is really quite lame. Your interest value here is at zero with me.
Quite why FMF bothers engaging with your window-licking is beyond me, but then he always was a little odd as a child.

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Originally posted by dj2becker
How can it be done?
You are asking me how I parent my children? I'm not going to discuss that with you. Suffice to say I do not use any cruel threats and I do not use brainwashing techniques.

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Children in schools are 'educated.'

People in cults are 'brainwashed.'

(Brainwashing is a form of psychological abuse).

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Originally posted by FMF
No. I am not going to discuss my children or my family with you. I haven't mentioned yours.
If you want to believe that parents who teach their children good morals amounts to brainwashing, that's fine with me.

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FMF: No. I am not going to discuss my children or my family with you.

Originally posted by dj2becker
If you want to believe that parents who teach their children good morals amounts to brainwashing, that's fine with me.
What I said is that I am not going to discuss my relationship with my children with you

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