Christians/Muslims

Originally posted by FMF
Did I? If I did then it would be because you seem to have absolutely no clue what it is.

[b]Also, which part of the definition you quoted do you think applies to me personally?

The account you gave of how you were raised as a child (as well as those of others who were raised in the same environment) seems to me to be textbook psychological abuse. You ...[text shortened]... and cruel coercion if you actually did train to be a teacher and didn't get your licence online.[/b]

Unlike you I did not study at a 'secular university'. Even though it had Christian ethos it is still accredited worldwide and hence I teach in the middle east.

Originally posted by FMF
What utter nonsense. This is a ludicrous false dilemma.

It is quite clear to me that rules, threats, punishments and deprivation only amounts to psychological abuse when it suits you.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Unlike you I did not study at a 'secular university'.

What does going to a "secular university" have to do with educators needing to be abreast of child development and ethical issues? Does going to a non-"secular university" entitle you to be in denial about psychological abuse and the proper conduct and knowledge on the part of educators with regard to the responsibilities they have?

Originally posted by dj2becker
It is quite clear to me that rules, threats, punishments and deprivation only amounts to psychological abuse when it suits you.

So you think that I characterize what you said about the abusive cult that you (and the people on that we site you linked us to) grew up in as being psychological abuse merely because it "suits" me? That's you rebuttal of the points I have been putting to you? You're not going to engage what I said, you're just going to pass off what I have said as being something untrue that "suits" me? This is your latest posture?

Originally posted by FMF
What does going to a "secular university" have to do with educators needing to be abreast of child development and ethical issues? Does going to a non-"secular university" entitle you to be in denial about psychological abuse and the proper conduct and knowledge on the part of educators with regard to the responsibilities they have?

It quite obvious that your secular university brainwashed you to believe what you do about psychological abuse. From your perspective raising a child in a Christian family with beliefs about heaven and hell amounts to psychological abuse doesn't it? Most Christian families I know apply rules, punishments and deprivation to various levels. Did you ever experience rules, threats, punishments and deprivation when you grew up in a Christian home? Do you feel that you were psychologically abused as a child?

Originally posted by FMF
So you think that I characterize what you said about the abusive cult that you (and the people on that we site you linked us to) grew up in as being psychological abuse merely because it "suits" me? That's you rebuttal of the points I have been putting to you? You're not going to engage what I said, you're just going to pass off what I have said as being something untrue that "suits" me? This is your latest posture?

If the criteria for experiencing psychological abuse is having rules, threats, punishments and deprivation, they why does a classroom scenario not amount to psychological abuse because a classroom also has rules, threats, punishments and deprivation?

Originally posted by dj2becker
If the criteria for experiencing psychological abuse is having rules, threats, punishments and deprivation, they why does a classroom scenario not amount to psychological abuse because a classroom also has rules, threats, punishments and deprivation?

You are being disingenuous. Psychological abuse often happens because of - or in situations where there are - rules, threats, and punishments. The existence of rules, threats, and punishments does not equate psychological abuse. But you know this. You're just trying a rhetorical gimmick. The deprivation you were subjected to was in terms of your intellectual and academic upbringing and the restrictions placed on your development of interpersonal relationships.

Originally posted by dj2becker
From your perspective raising a child in a Christian family with beliefs about heaven and hell amounts to psychological abuse doesn't it?

No. If you can cite the post in which I stated this, then do. But I can say there is plenty of psychological abuse that goes on in families regardless of whether they are religious or non-religious.

Originally posted by FMF
You are being disingenuous. Psychological abuse often happens because of - or in situations where there are - rules, threats, and punishments. The existence of rules, threats, and punishments does not equate psychological abuse. But you know this. You're just trying a rhetorical gimmick. The deprivation you were subjected to was in terms of your intellectual and ...[text shortened]... demic upbringing and the restrictions placed on your development of interpersonal relationships.

Did you ever experience rules, threats, punishments and deprivation when you grew up in a Christian home? Do you feel that you were psychologically abused as a child?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Do you feel that you were psychologically abused as a child?

You are asking me to discuss my family with you again?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Did you ever experience rules, threats, punishments and deprivation when you grew up in a Christian home? Do you feel that you were psychologically abused as a child?

You want me to talk to you about my parents ?

Originally posted by dj2becker
why does a classroom scenario not amount to psychological abuse because a classroom also has rules, threats, punishments and deprivation?

I have already answered this but you blanked it out.

Originally posted by FMF
You are asking me to discuss my family with you again?

No actually it's cool if you discuss every intricate detail of my life, let me not dare ask about yours.

Originally posted by dj2becker
No actually it's cool if you discuss every intricate detail of my life, let me not dare ask about yours.

Let me get this straight once and for all.

You have freely - and without being prompted - divulged that you were subjected to psychological abuse as a child, about which you are clearly in denial.

You even directed us to a web site where we could find out more about the abuse that went on.

I am not interested in discussing ~ with you ~ my own parenting, of my wife's, or my relationship with my children, or with my parents, I haven't asked you about yours.

Perhaps you feel entitled to have access to such personal information. But you are not.