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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Your post sir just indicates that you haven't been following the thread and have more crossed wires than a poorly trained electrician.

His 'apology' for deceptively using multiple account is irrelevant to what does and does not constitute abuse. (It was an entirely different conversation).

Well than attack that sinner pile it on, bring up every fault you see to justify your actions, you are sinless and have no worries. Personally I got to much I have to ask God's forgiveness for to assume I can do that to another.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
'Brainwashing' is an abuse on an individual's psychology. It invariably occurs in an environment where there is an imbalance of power and where prolonged indoctrination is possible. - To try and draw schools and the like into this definition is just plain silly. Places of education are regulated and closely monitored by outside agencies. 'Cults' are ...[text shortened]... uccessful.

*The above though is just hypothetical, as your cult claims remain highly dubious.

So if there is an environment of psychological abuse do 100% percent of the population experience it? 🙄 What did you say you do for a living ?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Well than attack that sinner pile it on, bring up every fault you see to justify your actions, you are sinless and have no worries. Personally I got to much I have to ask God's forgiveness for to assume I can do that to another.

We are discussing what constitutes abuse Kelly. I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you?!

Originally posted by FMF
What you described was a thumbnail sketch (and corroborating online resource) of prolonged, systematic abuse and deprivation that I could take to a seminar on psychological abuse and there wouldn't be a single qualified and experienced person in attendance who would approach the story or interpret it, or employ all the weird little debating tricks that you have employed on this thread, to downplay what it clearly was.

So are you qualified and experienced in the field of psychological abuse? Didn't you say you were involved in education?

Originally posted by dj2becker
The question is not whether the environment was one of psychological abuse, it is obvious that it is. The question is whether or not I feel that I suffered psychological abuse.

The question is not the question you pose.

The question is are you simply in denial about what you experienced when you were a child or have you just made the whole thing up?

It's a 'dilemma' of sorts, but not, I think, a false one.

Originally posted by dj2becker
So are you qualified and experienced in the field of psychological abuse?

"Qualified" in what way?

Originally posted by KellyJay to Ghost of a Duke
Well than attack that sinner pile it on, bring up every fault you see to justify your actions, you are sinless and have no worries.

What "sinner"? What and whose "actions"? What "fault" are you referring to?

Originally posted by FMF
The question is not the question you pose.

The question is are you simply in denial about what you experienced when you were a child or have you just made the whole thing up?

It's a 'dilemma' of sorts, but not, I think, a false one.

In an environment where psychological abuse takes place, do 100% of the population always experience it?

a) Yes
b) No
c) I don't know

I am guessing your answer is c. That is if you are honest.

Originally posted by dj2becker
The question is not whether the environment was one of psychological abuse, it is obvious that it is. The question is whether or not I feel that I suffered psychological abuse.

So you are 'now' saying the environment in the cult 'was' one of psychological abuse, and that this is obvious? - So what the heck have you been blabbering about for the last 20 pages?! 🙄

Your position that you were on the receiving end of psychological abuse, whereby you were brainwashed and mentally controlled (by your own description) but that you didn't suffer psychological abuse is nonsensical. You 'clearly' describe experiencing such abuse and yet simultaneously claim you didn't suffer it.

Like I said, not credible.

Originally posted by dj2becker
So are you qualified and experienced in the field of psychological abuse?

As for experience, I have quite a bit of it ~ i.e. exposure, involvement, engagement ~ in the last decade or so through work I have done on psychological and physical abuse of women and psychological abuse of children in Islamic boarding schools.

Originally posted by dj2becker
In an environment where psychological abuse takes place, do 100% of the population always experience it?

a) Yes
b) No
c) I don't know

I am guessing your answer is c. That is if you are honest.

The answer is no. However, if your description of your experiences in the cult are true, then you clearly did.

If you didn't, then your description was fabricated. You can't have it both ways. You can't describe experiencing psychological abuse and then claim you didn't suffer it.

Originally posted by dj2becker
In an environment where psychological abuse takes place, do 100% of the population always experience it?

In the environment of psychological abuse you purport to have described, yes.

Did you cope with it well (assuming your story is true)? Maybe.

Did you emerge undamaged (assuming your story is true)? Maybe.

Although, as you know, I believe your peculiar, furtive, disingenuous behaviour may have been caused by the way you were brought up (assuming your story is true). When I heard your claim about you having grown up in a cult, I said:

"Well your unpleasant experience has certainly taken its toll on you in interpersonal terms as a conversationalist and as a promoter of your current beliefs. Your manner and rhetorical tricks are like those of someone who is still trapped in a cult."

And your reply was:

"It's one thing to get out of a cult but it is another thing to get the cult out of you."

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
So you are 'now' saying the environment in the cult 'was' one of psychological abuse, and that this is obvious? - So what the heck have you been blabbering about for the last 20 pages?! 🙄

Your position that you were on the receiving end of psychological abuse, whereby you were brainwashed and mentally controlled (by your own description) but th ...[text shortened]... cing such abuse and yet simultaneously claim you didn't suffer it.

Like I said, not credible.

While I stayed there it was not obvious of course because all the incidents of 'abuse' were covered up. By 'abuse' I am referring to the dictionary definition. While I lived there I did not I did not receive any threats or punishment because I followed all the rules. If you want to see that as abuse and you are using your own made up definition of abuse that is not in the dictionary then that is fine with me.

Originally posted by FMF
As for experience, I have quite a bit of it ~ i.e. exposure, involvement, engagement ~ in the last decade or so through work I have done on psychological and physical abuse of women and psychological abuse of children in Islamic boarding schools.

So you are not a qualified psychologist?

Originally posted by dj2becker
While I stayed there it was not obvious of course because all the incidents of 'abuse' were covered up.

The "abuse" was described in the 220 words of yours that we are discussing.

We are not discussing any things that "were covered up".

We are discussing things that you have openly revealed.