Christians/Muslims

Originally posted by dj2becker
I have never spoken to a clinical psychologist nor have I felt the urge to.

Is my experience in the field of psychological abuse, do you think, more extensive than yours?

Originally posted by FMF
I didn't ask you about nurses. I asked you about my experience in the field of psychological abuse: Islamic boarding schools and abuse of women, among other things.

Let me break it down for you: just as I would prefer not to get a medical diagnosis from a nurse even though they have loads of experience in the medical field but they are not a qualified doctor, I would prefer to get a diagnosis from a clinical psychologist who is qualified rather than from you even if you have experience in the field but are not qualified.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Let me break it down for you: just as I would prefer not to get a diagnosis from a nurse even though they have loads of experience in the medical field but they are not a qualified doctor, I would prefer to get a diagnosis from a clinical psychologist who is qualified rather than from you even if you have experience in the field but are not qualified.

So what is this? The latest debating gimmick? Some kind of appeal to what my formal qualifications are and aren't having made a fool of yourself with all the other gimmicks you have tried?

You were never in a cult were you?

The description you gave could easily have been put together after looking at web sites.

You don't have any kind of awareness or understanding of ~ or you desperately do not want to face up to ~ the ramifications of the yarn you span.

Originally posted by dj2becker
So you are not a qualified psychologist?

Are you?

Originally posted by dj2becker
I would prefer to get a diagnosis from a clinical psychologist who is qualified ....

Well tell us what they say. At the moment you only have your own "diagnosis" which seems to be informed by a bizarre degree of willful ignorance and lack of reflection that does not become you as a man who claims to be a teacher and has responsibility for the education and development of children.

Originally posted by FMF
At what point in your childhood were you made aware that these kinds of psychological threats were hanging over you if you did not submit to the regime of deprivation and brainwashing?

I personally was never threatened because I never stepped out of line. As I said before the abuse was well covered up, else I would not have lasted there for 24 years.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I personally was never threatened because I never stepped out of line.

So you spent the 24 years unaware of the threats?

Originally posted by FMF
So what is this? The latest debating gimmick? Some kind of appeal to what my formal qualifications are and aren't having made a fool of yourself with all the other gimmicks you have tried?

You were never in a cult were you?

The description you gave could easily have been put together after looking at web sites.

You don't have any kind of awareness or u ...[text shortened]... ding of ~ or you desperately do not want to face up to ~ the ramifications of the yarn you span.

This is not the first time you have been faced with an argument that you cannot refute and called it a 'gimmick', and probably not the last time either.

Originally posted by dj2becker
As I said before the abuse was well covered up, else I would not have lasted there for 24 years.

As I said, we are not discussing anything that was "well covered up". We are discussing what you have openly revealed.

Originally posted by dj2becker
This is not the first time you have been faced with an argument that you cannot refute and called it a 'gimmick', and probably not the last time either.

Your Appeal to (the) Authority of some person not in this discussion and to whom you have not even spoken yourself is a gimmick.

Originally posted by FMF
So you spent the 24 years unaware of the threats?

Some of the kids I knew were expelled from school for having amorous relationships with the opposite sex, so I never had an affair myself, and I was never directly threatened but I knew what the rules and consequences were.

Originally posted by dj2becker
...I knew what the rules and consequences were.

If you are talking about the threats/consequences you described in those 220 words and if they were in the service of the regime of intellectual and interpersonal deprivation you described, then it was clearly psychological abuse.

Originally posted by dj2becker
... I was never directly threatened but I knew what the rules and consequences were.

I am not talking about your coping mechanism or whether you felt - at the time - that everything was normal. I am asking at what age you made aware of the existence of the institutionalized psychological threats you have described? Were you still a child/minor?

Originally posted by FMF
If you are talking about the threats/consequences you described in those 220 words and if they were in the service of the regime of intellectual and interpersonal deprivation you described, then it was clearly psychological abuse.

According to which definition of 'psychological abuse'?

Psychological abuse is defined as "Psychological abuse (also referred to as psychological violence, emotional abuse, or mental abuse) is a form of abuse, characterized by a person subjecting, or exposing, another person to behavior that may result in psychological trauma, including anxiety, chronic depression, or post-traumatic stress disorder."

As far as I recall I did not personally suffer form psychological trauma, anxiety, chronic depression, or post-traumatic stress disorder, but I am sure there are many others that did, especially those that stepped out of line.

Originally posted by FMF
I am not talking about your coping mechanism or whether you felt - at the time - that everything was normal. I am asking [b]at what age you made aware of the existence of the institutionalized psychological threats you have described? Were you still a child/minor?[/b]

My parents were living there when I was born so as far back as I can remember.