Comments on the trinity by ones who believe in the trinity....

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Go re-read the OT. (In its entirety).There are passages in those books you seem to have glossed over or mentally suppressed.

If you ignore parts you miss the whole. There is nothing in either OT or NT I have ignored, but you do

@kellyjay said
If you ignore parts you miss the whole. There is nothing in either OT or NT I have ignored, but you do

That's exactly my point Kelly. 'You' are the one ignoring abhorrent passages from the OT that in no way reflect the God presented in the NT. Or does your God remain petty and vindictive?

@sonship said
KellyJay,

Divegeester wrote faithfully -

“Hear oh Israel, the Lord your God is ONE”

Being the most obvious.

I have a question for you KellyJay. In this passage of John 14:23, which one of the divine "We" is the God of Israel who is One and which one is NOT ? Or is "We" that God of Israel who is ONE?

[quote] "Jesus an ...[text shortened]... ]We who comes to impart God into man to make an abode with him, is the God of Israel who is one.

It appears that KellyJay is not interested in chasing your wild geese.

@divegeester said

I have been a consistent active poster in this forum on virtually a daily basis for the past decade. I have commented with a consistent approach, on-topic, across hundreds, possibly thousands of threads. I have started countless threads on spiritual and Christian topics, certain of which have been some of the longest running debates we’ve had here. I contend for Christi ...[text shortened]... ithout hiding behind deflection or ignoring people. I am combative and engaged and I am a Christian.

Nobody ordered your metric ton of bollox.

@kellyjay said
And?
Two men can be soldiers while one out ranks the other.
Both being God, uncreated, uncaused, and yet the Father is greater than the Son.
You cannot put that together?

Nope. Sorry no matter what language one could speak that makes no sense.

Just a side thought first. What did Jehovah say when he created man? Lets make them in "our" image. Who was he talking too? If God was this 3 in 1 being, why does he or it actually have to speak to one of the other 2 or 3rd part of himself? Also we are not invisible spirit beings so being made in that fashion of God can not be done as we are not spirits. But yet he said lets make God in our image. All humans are (1) being, not some 3 in 1 life form.
And....I'm still waiting on some answers that I would thing would be easy if the trinity is as easy as y'all say it is. But I'll help and take it down to just one question.....

4th time I believe??? Why did Jesus and his apostles never say the word trinity or even simply mention the thought of it?

All of you do know the Catholic Encyclopedia says that the "trinity" is not a bible teaching, right?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
That's exactly my point Kelly. 'You' are the one ignoring abhorrent passages from the OT that in no way reflect the God presented in the NT. Or does your God remain petty and vindictive?

I'm not ignoring anything, and I told you early on what the main issue is between man and God, and that is that God is good and we are not. A good God is not going to let the evil and wicked acts of man slide. It is better for us that justice takes place in this life instead of the next when the results are permanent, in the here, and now we may turn from our evil ways to God for His forgiveness.

Without a doubt, a warped view of God’s nature is one of the most harmful things evil man has going against him. The world has been hearing over and over that God is love and loves them right where they are, that God hates sin, and loves the sinners. Thinking this way about God and man is idolatry, making God one who would be complicit in our evil and wicked ways if true, it does not fit reality or the scriptures.

You will find God is very consistent in the OT and the NT if you are not attempting to make God into something He is not. He is Holy, Righteous, and God; this is doesn’t change in either testament. A false view of God doesn’t work in either the OT or NT with consistency if we force our opinions of what we think God should be instead of what is, we will find large portions of scripture we will have to ignore.

@galveston75 said
Nope. Sorry no matter what language one could speak that makes no sense.

Just a side thought first. What did Jehovah say when he created man? Lets make them in "our" image. Who was he talking too? If God was this 3 in 1 being, why does he or it actually have to speak to one of the other 2 or 3rd part of himself? Also we are not invisible spirit beings so being made ...[text shortened]... All of you do know the Catholic Encyclopedia says that the "trinity" is not a bible teaching, right?

You cannot see that if two people are human they are both equally human?
You cannot see if these two same people were in the military one could out rank the other?

What about that makes no sense to you?

@galveston75 said
Nope. Sorry no matter what language one could speak that makes no sense.

Just a side thought first. What did Jehovah say when he created man? Lets make them in "our" image. Who was he talking too? If God was this 3 in 1 being, why does he or it actually have to speak to one of the other 2 or 3rd part of himself? Also we are not invisible spirit beings so being made ...[text shortened]... All of you do know the Catholic Encyclopedia says that the "trinity" is not a bible teaching, right?

The word Trinity isn't either book of the Bible, I imagine that may have something to do with why no one said it. Have you the ability to tell me what I do believe about the Trinity?

@galveston75 said
Nope. Sorry no matter what language one could speak that makes no sense.

Just a side thought first. What did Jehovah say when he created man? Lets make them in "our" image. Who was he talking too? If God was this 3 in 1 being, why does he or it actually have to speak to one of the other 2 or 3rd part of himself? Also we are not invisible spirit beings so being made ...[text shortened]... All of you do know the Catholic Encyclopedia says that the "trinity" is not a bible teaching, right?

I am not a Catholic so why would I bother with the encyclopedia?

@caesar-salad said
Nobody ordered your metric ton of bollox.

I’ve called you on your “we are the same” titbit, you were going to explain what value you bring to this forum other than being my constantly bent over my spanking bench.

@divegeester said
I’ve called you on your “we are the same” titbit, you were going to explain what value you bring to this forum other than being my constantly bent over my spanking bench.

What do your petty personal remarks have to do with the Trinity, you theological termite?

@caesar-salad said
What do your petty personal remarks have to do with the Trinity, you theological termite?

They are a witty response to your petty personal remarks as you chase me around the forums like puppy needing a wee.

Edit: “theological termite” is one of your better personal remarks btw, but I’m not sure it’s the insult you are looking for as termites are incredible creatures of industry, teamwork and innovation.

@divegeester said
I think your lying, your pe making it up.

There are about 15 active posters on this forum and no lurkers.

I’m calling you on our lies.

Lol. Oh my you are always so quick on calling anyone you can a lair. Lol. Anyway did I say it was someone here with this present group? Did I? I've been here for 10 years or more so perhaps I'm speaking of all those years that I have had a few contact me privately to ask me a question? Did you not think of that? Huh? Seriously......

@kellyjay said
You cannot see that if two people are human they are both equally human?
You cannot see if these two same people were in the military one could out rank the other?

What about that makes no sense to you?

Morning Kelly. Oh my...how do I answer this?????

So Kelly and Steve are 2 humans that are soldiers fighting in some war. We both are there because we both believe in this cause. Now Steve is just a private and Kelly is a Sargent, lets say. ( So far so good, with the example you laid out here? )
So you out rank me but we both still believe in this fight.
So your explanation of the trinity apply's to this scene of these two solders? How?
We are two completely different beings even though we may agree on many things. We may both like the color blue and love Mexican food.
But no Kelly, I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
You keep saying you have your own version of the trinity. What? If the trinity was a truth in the Bible then everyone who chooses the trinity would all believe it in the same supposed description that someone will have to come up with in order to give it some kind of credence but yet that doesn't happen and can't happen with something that is not true. All that will ever come of it is exactly what we see here, versions.

***** Just watching some " Father" of some church up north giving an interview on the National news ( ABC ) and he's speaking of God coming to earth in the form of a man in talking about Christmas. He just said as clear as a bell that he doesn't understand it because it's a mystery. Clear as you could admit anything, he just admitted to the news dude that he, some head "Father" couldn't explain it. Incredible.....
Anyway I know you are not Catholic. But when the largest so called Christian religion who is the strongest pusher of the trinity admits in their own writings and now, just now on national news that it is a " MYSTERY" , how can anyone come up with any kind of consistent explanation of a pagan doctrine?

@galveston75 said
Morning Kelly. Oh my...how do I answer this?????

So Kelly and Steve are 2 humans that are soldiers fighting in some war. We both are there because we both believe in this cause. Now Steve is just a private and Kelly is a Sargent, lets say. ( So far so good, with the example you laid out here? )
So you out rank me but we both still believe in this fight.
So your ...[text shortened]... s a " MYSTERY" , how can anyone come up with any kind of consistent explanation of a pagan doctrine?

You are making it much more difficult than it is. The Trinity goes to who God is, uncreated, uncaused, and this applies the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit but in this the Father is the greater, that takes away nothing from either the Son or Holy Spirit they are who they are, and they are God.

When the Jesus in scripture says we are to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, please note that is not in the names of the distinction is that they are one. This is something that occurs in both the OT and NT throughout, not singular but plural when God refers to Himself, and singular actions or verbs, an OT example would be Genesis 1:26 but in both Testaments this is true.

Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”