Comments on the trinity by ones who believe in the trinity....

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Yep I remember. You put your hands over your ears and went "la la la."

BS

@ghost-of-a-duke said
This really is a silly position to take. If I was an ignorant atheist who had never picked up or studied the Bible then you might have a point. However, I'm not and I have.

Let's take it as a given that we both understand Biblical basics and have you deal with my observations as something considered and reasoned. Or are you simply too insecure in your beliefs to do that?!

You have missed the God who is in the Scripture and reality. Since this is the case your views are not unlike a man born blind telling others colors are a myth.

@medullah said
Nobody is a lost cause.

The Bible doesn't say that the universe is 6000 years old. I understand where people get this from, but they need to read the creation account again .

1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

T ...[text shortened]... tself. It is an assumption that is not supported by the dating metheds that we have at our disposal.

Some are lost. Jesus referred to Judas Iscariot as lost. The idea that all people can receive forgiveness and eventually eternal life is unbiblical. On the day of judgement there will be many goats who will be cast out.

In the case of KJ he not only believes that the earth was created 6000 years ago but the entire universe is 6000 yrs old.

@sonship said
@divegeester

You’re such a doctrinal coward it sickens me, honestly. You either agree with your own church’s beliefs or you don’t.

Produce the evidence of CHANGE in attitude towards the paragraphs.
Hiding behind ad homs does nothing.

I don't think you can back up your "FINALLY" ... I changed my essential attitude about that pamphlet.

You admitted that you agree with the stamens of beliefs on your church’s website. On their website they explain that one needs to believe in the trinity to be saved.

That’s it, your cultish error in all it’s obscene glory.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
This really is a silly position to take. If I was an ignorant atheist who had never picked up or studied the Bible then you might have a point. However, I'm not and I have.

Let's take it as a given that we both understand Biblical basics and have you deal with my observations as something considered and reasoned. Or are you simply too insecure in your beliefs to do that?!

I saw what you said and believe it or not, agreeing with you isn’t required for understanding Scripture.

@divegeester

That’s it, your cultish error in all it’s obscene glory.

Your guilt by accusation [sic] because you were told some negative things on an Internet video means NOTHING to me.

Let it sink in. You heard some scuttlebutt. You liked it because you don't like the local churches for your own sectarian reasons. And you immediately found confirmation bias in the criticisms and picked up the "cult" accusation.

It means nothing to me.

You admitted that you agree with the stamens of beliefs on your church’s website. On their website they explain that one needs to believe in the trinity to be saved.

1.) The local churches are not "my church" more so than ANY Christian who is of the Body of Christ.

2.) The brief history of this repeated line of accusation from you is that for YEARS I have refused to give you less than a nuanced interpretation (which I felt it deserved) of how I view that quite adequate statement. You wanted for YEARS a binary Yes or No.

I told you that I do not think it means that from the moment one is saved he is expected to be conversant on all those matters. I still stand by that.

Eventually, when you refused my qualified and nuanced treatment of the statement I gave you a simpler reply.

My position has never changed.

AND when you tried to taunt me that I was not in lock step with the statement I was somehow in trouble with "higher ups" so to speak, you did nothing.

Many times I invited you to "report" to whoever you wished that you thought I was not in lock step with the statements or others. Blowhard that you are, you never did anything.

Now you have produced no evidence that I modified or altered or revised my position on the little introductory pamphlet. But you want to strut around that I FINALLY came around to something.

I would say that it is "getting" old except for the fact that the whole matter has BEEN old and stale for years.

The local churches are secure. One more rocking chair lone ranger critic doesn't bother us. In fact I'd be more concerned if you only spoke well of the local churches. I would surmise that we must not be being faithful to what God has given us if there were NO criticism.

@rajk999 said
Some are lost. Jesus referred to Judas Iscariot as lost. The idea that all people can receive forgiveness and eventually eternal life is unbiblical. On the day of judgement there will be many goats who will be cast out.

In the case of KJ he not only believes that the earth was created 6000 years ago but the entire universe is 6000 yrs old.

Care to quote a Scripture that says anyone who believes the wrong date for the age of the earth or universe is hopelessly lost! That something else you made up?

@fmf said

To mainstream Christians, the NWT translation misrepresents the person and work of Christ and supports your organization's main unique selling point which is to deny the deity of Jesus. It is your version of the Bible you should be promoting lock stock and barrel rather than wandering out into the weeds talking rather misleadingly about "the Trinity".

Nicely put!

@vmland said
Nicely put!

Yet hardly was anyone so intent on denying the deity of Christ himself so concerned with someone else doing the same thing.

@sonship said
Yet hardly was anyone so intent on denying the deity of Christ himself so concerned with someone else doing the same thing.

I realize that, however do you disagree with his quote?

@vmland said
I realize that, however do you disagree with his quote?

To mainstream Christians, the NWT translation misrepresents the person and work of Christ and supports your organization's main unique selling point which is to deny the deity of Jesus.

I agree.

I cannot bring one into the house without feeling like an idol or demon has come into my home. My spirit senses that it is unclean, unholy. That's me.

Denying Deity period, including that of Jesus Christ is the work of the Atheist who made the observation.

@sonship said

To mainstream Christians, the NWT translation misrepresents the person and work of Christ and supports your organization's main unique selling point which is to deny the deity of Jesus.

I agree.

I cannot bring one into the house without feeling like an idol or demon has come into my home. My spirit senses that it is unclean, unholy. That's me.

D ...[text shortened]... ng Deity period, including that of Jesus Christ is the work of the Atheist who made the observation.

I agree with you.

@kellyjay said
I saw what you said and believe it or not, agreeing with you isn’t required for understanding Scripture.

It's not about agreeing with me it is about the fallback assumption you hold that people who disagree with you have a basic understanding of scripture.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
It's not about agreeing with me it is about the fallback assumption you hold that people who disagree with you have a basic understanding of scripture.

The Scripture has been studied from the time it was written and copied. Major religions from Judaism to Christianity come down on one side, you on the other on how many gods there are. You also do not even acknowledge God, and you still believe you're the expert when it is your goal to refute Scripture taking liberty with times, dates, and other historical records to refute the claims. Do you think this makes you an unbiased reader?

@kellyjay said
The Scripture has been studied from the time it was written and copied. Major religions from Judaism to Christianity come down on one side, you on the other on how many gods there are. You also do not even acknowledge God, and you still believe you're the expert when it is your goal to refute Scripture taking liberty with times, dates, and other historical records to refute the claims. Do you think this makes you an unbiased reader?

Yes, I stand alone as the only person who thinks the God (s) portrayed in the Old and New testaments don't marry up.

😵

As an aside, Marcionists believed that the wrathful Hebrew God was a separate entity than the all-forgiving God of the New Testament and considered Him a tyrant.