17 Jul 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's a Jewish myth which is to be treated the same way as the Sumerian, Babylonian, Greek, Roman, Norse, Celtic and all the other myths from our ancient distant past.
so sad, everyday people decide for themselves what is morally acceptable and what is
not, without any reference to Gods standards, I think its more than a story dear PK.
17 Jul 12
Originally posted by Proper Knobits hardly a myth when we see evidence evidence of it in persons everyday. Ok, if you
It's a Jewish myth which is to be treated the same way as the Sumerian, Babylonian, Greek, Roman, Norse, Celtic and all the other myths from our ancient distant past.
think its allegorical, then thats up to you, but the fact of the matter is, independence
from God has brought no happiness to mankind.
17 Jul 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe fact of the matter is that you are yet to prove there ever was a time in which mankind wan't independent from God, citing some ancient Jewish myth doesn't really cut it.
its hardly a myth when we see evidence evidence of it in persons everyday. Ok, if you
think its allegorical, then thats up to you, but the fact of the matter is, independence
from God has brought no happiness to mankind.
17 Jul 12
Originally posted by Proper KnobWhether there was a time or not is not the question, we are living in a time now.
The fact of the matter is that you are yet to prove there ever was a time in which mankind wan't independent from God, citing some ancient Jewish myth doesn't really cut it.
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17 Jul 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobiefail??? err no robbie. its simple logic.
FAIL, every human is endowed with the capacity to be a free moral agent, sin only
arises when one rejects Gods perfect standards and seeks to establish ones own.
Christ came and proved that a perfect man could remain sinless and blameless, even
in the face of extreme persecution and vindicated Gods sovereignty (his right to set
standards of ...[text shortened]... lled against Gods sovereignty and sought to establish their own, with horrendous
consequences.
if you think adam and eve are perfect then you are also saying that they did the right thing when they rebelled. because perfect people make the perfect decision 100% of the time. perfect people do not make mistakes.
so either adam and eve are perfect or god is perfect, it cant be both.
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17 Jul 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieim happy.
its hardly a myth when we see evidence evidence of it in persons everyday. Ok, if you
think its allegorical, then thats up to you, but the fact of the matter is, independence
from God has brought no happiness to mankind.
17 Jul 12
Originally posted by stellspalfieanother fail of epic proportions, perfection is relative to the individuals abilities, if
fail??? err no robbie. its simple logic.
if you think adam and eve are perfect then you are also saying that they did the right thing when they rebelled. because perfect people make the perfect decision 100% of the time. perfect people do not make mistakes.
so either adam and eve are perfect or god is perfect, it cant be both.
everyone was perfect in the absolute sense they would be able to get a break of 147 at
snooker every time, clearly that is not the case, for one can be perfect but have no
aptitude for snooker, you FAIL!
17 Jul 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDid Adam and Eve play snooker? How do you know they wouldn't be able to get a 147 every time?
another fail of epic proportions, perfection is relative to the individuals abilities, if
everyone was perfect in the absolute sense they would be able to get a break of 147 at
snooker every time, clearly that is not the case, for one can be perfect but have no
aptitude for snooker, you FAIL!
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17 Jul 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieperfection is relative, okay lets run with that for a while shall we. using this logic its perfectly fine and accurate for me to say god is not perfect, jesus was not perfect and most of all adam and eve were not perfect, because as you say perfection is relative and deciding if they are perfect or not would depend on what you are comparing them to.
because it must be relative perfection, relative to ones own abilities, not everyone is
the same.
if you are decreeing that we can only compare ourselves to ourselves to ascertain perfection then we are rendering the word perfect to almost meaningless. boy 'A' gets 100% on his maths test, boy 'B' gets 10% on his maths test and they both got perfect scores.
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17 Jul 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieas for the crappy snooker analogy. if you are going to describe a person as perfect, you are saying everything about them is perfect, so yes they would be expected to get a 147 quite often, not always as its not always possible.
another fail of epic proportions, perfection is relative to the individuals abilities, if
everyone was perfect in the absolute sense they would be able to get a break of 147 at
snooker every time, clearly that is not the case, for one can be perfect but have no
aptitude for snooker, you FAIL!
when using the word perfect its normally used in a specific way, such as 147 is the perfect snooker break or 100% is the perfect test score. when used in a generic way it normally is an inaccurate use of the word.
17 Jul 12
Originally posted by stellspalfieyou term this logic? my man, nothing you have stated makes sense, all perfection is
perfection is relative, okay lets run with that for a while shall we. using this logic its perfectly fine and accurate for me to say god is not perfect, jesus was not perfect and most of all adam and eve were not perfect, because as you say perfection is relative and deciding if they are perfect or not would depend on what you are comparing them to.
i ...[text shortened]... 100% on his maths test, boy 'B' gets 10% on his maths test and they both got perfect scores.
relative to God, now suck it up and stop slavering about hypothetical scenarios. Christ
himself stated,
(Mark 10:18) . . .: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.
not that Christ, was of course not good, but that all measurements and standards of
goodness and in the case of our discussion, perfection, are relative to God.