Has religion served its purpose?

@pb1022 said
👋👋

Good riddance.

@kellyjay said
I have not lost my faith; the question assumes a great deal; it is nothing but a hypothetical no different than if you died would you be the dead type of question. If I lost my faith, what are we talking about, my faith in my knowledge and understanding of the universe and all that is in it? That isn't Jesus Christ, that isn't Jesus in my life, that is simply a subset of the ...[text shortened]... once believed this, now I believe that then Jesus Christ is not a part of that discussion, only you.

I asked you this 7 pages ago but perhaps you didn’t see it…

If you lost your faith at the point of death, would you be cast into hell as if you had never believed?

@kellyjay said
Explain how.

I'm not asking you if you died would you be dead or anything as facile as that. I am asking you if you lost your belief in Jesus over a period of time in a decade from now, would it mean you didn't believe in Jesus in January 2022.

@fmf said
My Christian faith.

I have to say, that did nothing to clear up what I asked. I've been asking you what changed, what did you have that you no longer have? If I died, am I dead, no longer believe, I am an unbeliever? Is it a lack of trust or understanding, an inability to articulate answers to some questions; what was it that makes you say I once had a relationship with Jesus Christ, but now I deny that was really, real?

Faith in Christ is in the person of Christ; having the Spirit of God in you is an experience you can have; it isn't just a doctrinal point according to the Word; it either happens to you or not. If it happened, then denying it suggests something is false, what you claimed before, or now.

@fmf said
I'm not asking you if you died would you be dead or anything as facile as that. I am asking you if you lost your belief in Jesus over a period of time in a decade from now, would it mean you didn't believe in Jesus in January 2022.

If anyone says I no longer believe in Jesus, they are not right with God; you cannot have Father without the Son. If you are asking if I stopped believing what I had before the loss was actually real, no, it was not. If it cannot stand up to this world's good and bad things, it was never authentic; it was just a passing illusion.

@kellyjay said
If I died, am I dead, no longer believe, I am an unbeliever? Is it a lack of trust or understanding, an inability to articulate answers to some questions; what was it that makes you say I once had a relationship with Jesus Christ, but now I deny that was really, real.

What on Earth is this about?

"If I died, am I dead, no longer believe, I am an unbeliever?"

@fmf said
What on Earth is this about?

"If I died, am I dead, no longer believe, I am an unbeliever?"

That is what I think of your question if I died, am I dead? If I deny Christ, was I ever really was I ever a Christian?

@kellyjay said
If anyone says I no longer believe in Jesus, they are not right with God

Huh?

Who is saying this to you?

@kellyjay said
That is what I think of your question if I died, am I dead? If I deny Christ, was I ever really was I ever a Christian?

So... is your answer to the question:

if you lost your belief in Jesus over a period of time in a decade from now, would it mean you didn't believe in Jesus in January 2022?

..."Yes"?

@divegeester said
I asked you this 7 pages ago but perhaps you didn’t see it…

If you lost your faith at the point of death, would you be cast into hell as if you had never believed?

If what you had was real, I doubt it, and if it wasn't, you never had to begin with.

@divegeester said
I asked you this 7 pages ago but perhaps you didn’t see it…

If you lost your faith at the point of death, would you be cast into hell as if you had never believed?

Are you ignoring me again KellyJay?

@fmf said
So... is your answer to the question:

if you lost your belief in Jesus over a period of time in a decade from now, would it mean you didn't believe in Jesus in January 2022?

..."Yes"?

If all you are talking about is in my mind, I believed this, and it went no farther than that; it is just a mental acceptance, nothing more. As I pointed out to you earlier, many people don't even claim to have lost anything, but will still find themselves outside of God's grace, because that was all they did, their hearts were far from Him, they had just enough religion to make them think they were good and they were not. So claiming something was true before and is no longer true means it was never true.

@divegeester said
Are you ignoring me again KellyJay?

No

@kellyjay said
If all you are talking about is in my mind, I believed this, and it went no farther than that; it is just a mental acceptance, nothing more. As I pointed out to you earlier, many people don't even claim to have lost anything, but will still find themselves outside of God's grace, because that was all they did, their hearts were far from Him, they had just enough religion to ...[text shortened]... they were not. So claiming something was true before and is no longer true means it was never true.

So is that a "Yes"?

@fmf said
Good riddance.

I’m baaaaasasck!

Miss me?