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22 Oct 16
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Originally posted by 667joe
If man designs something, I would not expect it to be perfect. On the other hand, iuf god designs something, I would expect it to be perfect. Obviously, the design of the prostate is not perfect, therefore, I think god had nothing to do with it!
I see.
The malfunction of any body organs leads you to believe that God had no part in their design.
Does it also lead you to believe that none of the biological organs were intelligently designed?
Someone like Stephen Meyer, a major proponent of ID (which he argues is scientific) would be satisfied at this point as long as you recognized the greater probability for they're being intelligently designed whatever that intellegence was sourced in.
Could a very intelligent atheist from an extra-terrestrial planet with immense nano technological knowledge have designed the prostate ?
If so, Dr. Meyer would say, "Good enough". That is as an ID researcher he would.
22 Oct 16
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Originally posted by 667joeThis world was placed in the hands of man and man fell thereby dragging the rest of the
Why then do all living creatures eventually die? I doubt that butterflies and flowers sin.
planet down. The ground was cursed due to man it all went to crap due to man. If you
look at the history within scripture nations were judged by its leadership. Wicked leaders
bring judgment on the nation. Which more than likely means American is in a world of
dodo looking at what is coming no matter who wins the election.
Originally posted by 667joeHmmmm, I would imagine an intelligent designer might make a body that could go several hundred years without problems. Kind of like in Genesis, no?
Prostate cancer is bad enough. I, however, had benign prostate hyperplasia in mind. The prostate surrounds the tube through which urine must flow. As the prostate enlarges (which is does in a majority of men), it squeezes the tube through which the urine flows making it harder to urinate. The enlarging prostate also pushes on the bladder causing frequen ...[text shortened]... s design clearly flunks! (Evolution explains the situation much better than intelligent design!)
You want to find a scapegoat for prostate problems? Repeat after me: "Thanks, Adam."
Originally posted by sonshipAnd the other possibility is there is no bible god and all your pithy sayings are totally man made. Which leaves evolution as to why we are so poorly made. Which explains why 500 MILLION died from two causes, war and TB. Just those two. So where was your god when those 300 MILLION died just from TB? Don't give me that crap they are going to a better place, that is an absolute lie and further they suffered terribly before they died, just like the tortured victims died at the hands of their torturers like early Christians and today ISIS murdering 8 year old boys for daring to want an education.
The other possibility is that your thinking is warped and twisted.
Where was your god in all those cases? I'll tell you where you god was, in a figment of men's imagination. That is the only thing explaining all the misery on Earth. There is no bible god, all man made bull shyte, the biggest scam in human history and it continues to get people killed to this very day and tomorrow and the day after that and the year after that and the century after that and the millennium after that till all this bible god fades into the dust bin of history where it belongs and should never have been invented in the first place.
If your bible god wants to prove me wrong, I welcome its intervention but till then, humans telling all about the bible god are words wasted on me.
Originally posted by sonhouseHow do you know that if it were not for God's intervention the wickedness of man would
And the other possibility is there is no bible god and all your pithy sayings are totally man made. Which leaves evolution as to why we are so poorly made. Which explains why 500 MILLION died from two causes, war and TB. Just those two. So where was your god when those 300 MILLION died just from TB? Don't give me that crap they are going to a better place, ...[text shortened]... e its intervention but till then, humans telling all about the bible god are words wasted on me.
be doing much worse?
23 Oct 16
Originally posted by leunammiWow, you've said it brilliantly!
It's a fallen world my man, God created it perfect we messed it up. We have been in a decline mainly because of our choices without God.
How about this design... the whole male reproductive system and how it all functions together, aside from problems that occur later in life. Sorry you are having problems, I know it is difficult.
It is true that humans messed up the world and as a result we suffer. I too am sorry that 667joe is going through a rough time, just take this suffering you go through right now to get closer to God. Just remember, cancer can be beaten!
23 Oct 16
Originally posted by sonhouseI don’t believe that God directly causes pain and suffering. Why does He have to take blame when men and woman started the wars? They have their own free will!
And the other possibility is there is no bible god and all your pithy sayings are totally man made. Which leaves evolution as to why we are so poorly made. Which explains why 500 MILLION died from two causes, war and TB. Just those two. So where was your god when those 300 MILLION died just from TB? Don't give me that crap they are going to a better place, ...[text shortened]... e its intervention but till then, humans telling all about the bible god are words wasted on me.
24 Oct 16
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Originally posted by NickstenSo you are saying that if you knew that someone was being tortured in the house next door to you, you would not even bother to phone the police, on the basis that you did not directly cause the pain and therefore have no moral responsibility to act?
I don’t believe that God directly causes pain and suffering. Why does He have to take blame when men and woman started the wars? They have their own free will!
24 Oct 16
Originally posted by KellyJayPunishing someone for somebody else's actions is immoral.
This world was placed in the hands of man and man fell thereby dragging the rest of the
planet down. The ground was cursed due to man it all went to crap due to man. If you
look at the history within scripture nations were judged by its leadership. Wicked leaders
bring judgment on the nation. Which more than likely means American is in a world of
dodo looking at what is coming no matter who wins the election.
24 Oct 16
Originally posted by sonshipSo you figure a 3 yo kid getting cancer is not the result of poor design? There are ANIMALS who far outperform humans on the cancer scale. Sharks for one seldom get cancer AND some have shown to have lives as long as 400 years. Sounds like if your god designed it all, it didn't like humans so much but put major benefits on some fish rather than humans.If man designs something, I would not expect it to be perfect. On the other hand, iuf god designs something, I would expect it to be perfect. Obviously, the design of the prostate is not perfect, therefore, I think god had nothing to do with it!
I see.
The malfunction of any body organs leads you to believe that God had no part in th ...[text shortened]... prostate ?
If so, Dr. Meyer would say, "Good enough". That is as an ID researcher he would.
Pretty good argument AGAINST ID.
24 Oct 16
Originally posted by Rank outsiderYou don't have clue about my beliefs if that is what you think. I do believe man's wickedness
Actually, if I were to accept your beliefs, God's future intervention will increase wickedness by a factor of infinity.
is going to increase, but God will cut it off and end it along with all who do evil.