25 Jul 08
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesIf you want to condone violence and make it acceptable to the general public simply label it as "necessary" and deny it is violence. Liberal culture in the West does the same ( ... abortion and euthanasia).
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/rdreher/stories/011308dnedidreher.1ab6eb80.html
Several years ago, the Jordanian parliament voted down attempts by Jordanian women and human rights activists to end honor killing, which takes the lives of 20 to 30 Jordanian women each year. Parliament upheld lenient sentenc ...[text shortened]... t, we don't look at it as violent," he said. "We look at it as a deterrent."
Violence directed at innocent human beings should stop, both in the East ánd the West. The dignity of the human person should be respected worldwide.
25 Jul 08
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesYou have a gigantic talent for misunderstanding everything that is written in the Bible.
... For example, you yourself think it was OK for Abraham to follow God's command and set out to murder his own son.
Christian and Muslim fundamentalists have that same talent. The difference is that they accept these misinterpretations and base their ideologies on them, while you cherish them to be able to reject all three Abrahamic religions as nonsense or "medieval" .... or something along the same lines.
25 Jul 08
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI agree. However, it is necessary to make a clear distinction between Mulims as a whole and the Jihadists and Islamists in particular.
Yes. There are a lot of people whose political correctness has induced them to believe that Muslims ought to be given special consideration in virtue of being a minority in the Western world, or of merely being a religion. ....
We are having problems with Jihadists and Islamists, not with Muslims as such.
25 Jul 08
Originally posted by Rajk999Thank you. Been waiting years for somebody to say that.
So, is taking credit where it is NOT due is another invention of muslims? I guess so.
Anyway if the poor fools cant drink, womanise, socialise, party.. they might as well invent something... or claim to have invented something that someone else developed.
So whatever you say ... muslims are smart ... christians are fools.
25 Jul 08
Originally posted by scherzoIt is a big part of the world that constitutes a real threat to the rest of the world -- and that is becoming very apparent, which is not good news for the Muslim world. With the exception of those states where they have both a lot of oil money and do not have an oppressive, autocratic, theocratic form of government, those failed Muslim states will increasingly see their GDP decline. I see a lot of internal strife in the Muslim world as economic conditions worsen, and I see a lot of potential for developed nations to take military action against such states who allow their territory to be used as a launching point or safe haven for Jihadists and other Islamist extremists.
Well, that's a pretty big part of the world that's garbage to you, then.
There will be a severe price to be paid for harboring such people - make no mistake - air power alone can put any of these countries back into the stone age in less than a week.
We have to hope there are a few intelligent Muslim leaders who can see another path must be taken -- but until all this internal rivalry among Muslim sects is taken out of the equation, I'm afraid they are all headed for some pretty drastic outside interference.
26 Jul 08
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Originally posted by Rajk999The OT is essentially a history of the Jewish people and have very little relevance to us today.
Christians are followers of Christ.
The OT is essentially a history of the Jewish people and have very little relevance to us today.
Why do you insist on confusing whats in the OT and what Christ taught?
Christ never taught that adultereers should be stoned. Did he?
Of course you are wrong. The OT includes the law of Moses, and the law of Moses is not history.
Why do you insist on confusing what's in the OT and what Christ taught?
Because you said that Christians are the followers of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ said:
(king James Version)(Matthew)(Mt-5-17)(Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.)
And I think the OT is where you will find the law and the prophets. So you are again wrong, because Jesus himself has a different opinion about the OT than you.
Christ never taught that adulterers should be stoned. Did he?
Given what I said before then you are asking the wrong question. They question should be: Where did Jesus Christ said that the adulterers should not be stoned?
Jesus was a Jew, and by default the punishment is stoning. So if Jesus didn't cancel the punishment, you don't need to ask yourself where did he said it?
Now I think you will refer to the story of the adulterer woman that Jesus refused to stone. And that is a different story.
To close this argument tell me what you think about this:
(king James Version)(Hebrews)(Heb-10-28)(He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: )
I think this is the NT, and this is a direct order to kill who ever despised Moses law (which is in the OT).
So according to the Bible, and whoever wrote the book of Hebrews, if you despised Moses law (which is in the OT) you should be killed. Do you call this a call of violence?
26 Jul 08
Originally posted by ScriabinIt is a big part of the world that constitutes a real threat to the rest of the world -- and that is becoming very apparent
It is a big part of the world that constitutes a real threat to the rest of the world -- and that is becoming very apparent, which is not good news for the Muslim world. With the exception of those states where they have both a lot of oil money and do not have an oppressive, autocratic, theocratic form of government, those failed Muslim states will increasi ...[text shortened]... t of the equation, I'm afraid they are all headed for some pretty drastic outside interference.
What is the very apparent threat you are talking about?. Did you come closer to Muslims to see that they are really a thread to you. How many Muslims did you know in person to say they are a thread to you.
Muslims are being killed every where in the world just because they are Muslims and you still think they are a thread. Wow.
I have a 4 years old daughter and 2 years son, do you think they are a thread. Ok come and kill them!!
26 Jul 08
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Originally posted by DoctorScribbleswhat do you mean by Civilized world.
Can you cite any examples in the civilized world?
who kill the civillians with the smart bombs in Iraq? Who made those smart bombs. You don't have to kill me in your country, you already doing it in Muslim countries.
The American soldier goes to Iraq and kill civilians because people like you taught him that all Muslims are evil, and all Muslims are considered a thread. So he found no problem to kill them because he is doing good to the civilized world by killing those barbarian monestors who are called Muslims.
You think that all Muslims want to kill all non Muslims which is not true, and far from being true.
You think that Muslim parents teach their children that they should hate non-Muslims and later I will teach them that they should kill them which is not true, and far from being true.
You think that all Muslims are evil and that is far from being true.
All muslims need to only one thing, to live in peace and worship their GOD. They want to live their life in their own way without problems with anyone. All the problems started when the civilized world tried for some reason to change Muslims. All muslim countires were under occumpation for many years by the civilized world, and when that started the concept of terrorism started to show up.
There was a movie created in Egypt I think 3 years ago about an egyptian man who was a school manager. He was living a normal life, had a daughter and a son, and everything was okey until USA invaded Iraq, and the news about what is happening in Iraq started to show up in the Media. At that time he started to get nightmares that what the USA trops did in Iraq is happening to Egypt, and they are actually doing it to him and his family. At that time he started to discuss his nightmares with his friend who of course laughed at him thinking that this will not happen. But after sometime the news came with more threads from USA to Serya , Iran and other Islamic countries. So he started to see if the Egyptian Army is ready for USA attack, of course he asked some friends who know about army stuff, and then he realized that no army is able to stand aganist the massive power of the USA army. At that point he thought that he should be prepare himself and his family for the day USA will invade Egypt. So he searched for an old student that was genuis, to design a weapon that can stand aganist the USA army. I don't want to make my post long, ( I think it is already long), but what that man felt is exactly what you call terror. We live in terror from the massive power of the civilized world, that it will one day destroy our small world that we live and stasfied with.
26 Jul 08
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Originally posted by ahosyneyFirst, it is false that Iraqi civilians are killed because of being Muslim. You don't really think that, do you?
who kill the civillians with the smart bombs in Iraq? Who made those smart bombs. You don't have to kill me in your country, you already doing it in Muslim countries.
The American soldier goes to Iraq and kill civilians because people like you taught him that all Muslims are evil, and all Muslims are considered a thread. So he found no problem to kil ...[text shortened]... doing good to the civilized world by killing those barbarian monestors who are called Muslims.
Secondly, I do not teach that all Muslims are evil. I teach that Islam, as a set of beliefs and proscribed practices, is evil.
Finally, even if I did teach that all Muslims are evil, I would not promote or condone killing them out of hand, nor do I promote that as a solution for eradicating Islam.
You, for example, don't seem like the sort of person that would beat your wife, even though the Koran instructs that that is part of your husbandly role. You do, however, seem like the sort of person that would sit idly by while his neighbor beats his wife, allowing such violence to be mitigated by that same instruction.