Predestination. True or false?

@divegeester said
Same principle with doves coming out of heaven, Jesus praying to the father etc.

I don’t need to invent a “trinity” to explain something which is written literally hundreds of times in the bible, God is ONE. Truth is it’s own reward as long as we recognise the highest principle. I.e. God is ONE entity irrespective of doves and prayers.

Same with predestination and free choice; we don’t need to choose between one or the other just accept that both are there.

Those are not at all the same.

But I’m glad to see you’re capitalizing God now.

@pb1022 said
Those are not at all the same.

Yes they are.

@divegeester said
I can’t and anyway not my responsibility to explain it to you. Figure it out yourself.

I am simply stating the undisputed fact that both are comprehensively supported in the text.

That is my position.

It is your responsibility.

You made a statement - back it up.

The minute I brought up that verse from 2 Peter, you started waffling and now you’re using the cop out that it’s all a mystery.

You should have started with the mystery explanation first instead of waffling into it.

@divegeester said
Shove it sunshine. You’re living on credit, don’t spend it all at once.

Well I’m sorry you’re offended at having your feet held to the fire.

@divegeester said
Yes they are.

Not even close.

@pb1022 said
It is your responsibility.
You made a statement - back it up.

I’ve posted several scriptures to support one, and I’ll use the one you presented to support the other.

@pb1022 said
Not even close.

What’s not?

Make a case.

@pb1022 said
Well I’m sorry you’re offended at having your feet held to the fire.

Are you going to be a dick again?

@divegeester said
I’ve posted several scriptures to support one, and I’ll use the one you presented to support the other.

You need to supply two more for the other view so the Scripture count is equal.

@divegeester said
Are you going to be a dick again?

How am I being a dick? Is this not how you routinely behave toward sonship and KellyJay?

@pb1022 said
You need to supply two more for the other view so the Scripture count is equal.

No I don’t.
One scripture was good enough for you to make your case, so it’s good enough for me to use also.

Next.

@divegeester said
What’s not?

Make a case.

You made the unsupported assertion. You’re the one who needs to make a case, not me.

@pb1022 said
How am I being a dick? Is this not how you routinely behave toward sonship and KellyJay?

I’m just getting you to check in with yourself, just in case you are thinking of downshifting.

@pb1022 said
You made the unsupported assertion. You’re the one who needs to make a case, not me.

No I didn’t.

@divegeester said
No I don’t.
One scripture was good enough for you to make your case, so it’s good enough for me to use also.

Next.

You’re using my Scripture. You should use your own.