If predestination is true, lets say I walk out my front door, out to the curb and not paying attention step out to the street and get killed by a car.
So was it predestined for that driver to hit and kill me? Maybe they were one of the kindest humans on the planet? Did God make them do that? Did God make them to be born on a certain date and time in history and live in the town I live in and to buy that exact car and drive down that exact street and to catch those exact red and green lights to be at my exact address at that date to be the one to hit and kill me?
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@galveston75 saidI think predestination, as I understand it, refers to salvation - where you spend eternity - and not every decision you make in life.
If predestination is true, lets say I walk out my front door, out to the curb and not paying attention step out to the street and get killed by a car.
So was it predestined for that driver to hit and kill me? Maybe they were one of the kindest humans on the planet? Did God make them do that? Did God make them to be born on a certain date and time in history and live in ...[text shortened]... exact red and green lights to be at my exact address at that date to be the one to hit and kill me?
You can certainly be led by the Holy Spirit and make decisions based on walking in the Spirit instead of walking in the flesh, but even then, I don’t think you lose your free will - you just avoid making stupid decisions.
@pb1022 saidBut don't ones who are "saved" still pray and ask for forgiveness of sins that they have committed that day? If they are saved and predestined for salvation, why pray and ask for forgiveness? No need I would think.....
I think predestination, as I understand it, refers to salvation - where you spend eternity - and not every decision you make in life.
You can certainly be led by the Holy Spirit and make decisions based on walking in the Spirit instead of walking in the flesh, but even then, I don’t think you lose your free will - you just avoid making stupid decisions.
@galveston75 saidIsn't "predestination" simply a way of referring to the fact that an omniscient [and perhaps intervening] creator entity, not bound by time, future or past ~ like the Christian, Islamic and Jewish God figures ~ already has knowledge of what will happen [and will have happened at any given point in the future] as a result of people exercising their "free will"?
But don't ones who are "saved" still pray and ask for forgiveness of sins that they have committed that day? If they are saved and predestined for salvation, why pray and ask for forgiveness? No need I would think.....
@fmf saidIn other words, people are exercising their "free will" and their omniscient creator already knows what will happen to them as a result.
Isn't "predestination" simply a way of referring to the fact that an omniscient [and perhaps intervening] creator entity, not bound by time, future or past ~ like the Christian, Islamic and Jewish God figures ~ already has knowledge of what will happen [and will have happened at any given point in the future] as a result of people exercising their "free will"?
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My sincere advice to anyone reading this which has been pondered by minds smarter than anyone musing and contemplating predestination here tonight -
USE the mystery with thanksgiving like this -
"Lord Jesus, Thankyou. Thankyou Lord for predestinating me to believe in You and be saved unto eternal life. Lord Jesus I want to thank You for marking out my destiny of salvation beforehand."
I am serious.
And I am saying what do you have to lose?
Use the paradox of predestination / free will.
Thank Him that you've been predestinated to be His forever.