Spirituality
12 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidThats a pile of church mumbo jumbo. You can continue with your foolishness all you want but it is you church people who preach disobedience to the commandments of Christ that do not belong to God. Statements like these are all over the teachings of Christ and the Apostles :
What you miss is in order to have your name removed it must first be there to be removed. What you have been avoiding is the only real question that matters and that is, is Christ in you now? If you are not abiding in Christ attached to the Vine, you have no part in Christ, if you don’t have the Holy Spirit now you don’t belong to God. Are our names written in the book of Life now, or are they put there after judgment day? You better know now and not just hoping!
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (John 15:10 KJV)
Those who keep the commandments have Christ in them NOW. These are the ones who abide in Christ. Christ abides in them. Christ knows them and they know Christ. God knows them and they know God. They are the ones who will inherit the Kingdom of God.
You and your Satanic church doctrine of mouth worship and lip service to the commandments of Christ are going straight to damnation. Bon voyage church boy.
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What you miss is in order to have your name removed it must first be there to be removed. What you have been avoiding is the only real question that matters and that is, is Christ in you now? If you are not abiding in Christ attached to the Vine, you have no part in Christ, if you don’t have the Holy Spirit now you don’t belong to God. Are our names written in the book of Life now, or are they put there after judgment day? You better know now and not just hoping!
"He who overcomes will be clothed thus, in white garments, and I shall by no means erase his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." (Rev. 3:5,6)
If you hold that the erasing of the name from the book of life forever is the loss of salvation then of course I can see you would have to commit against the Assurance of salvation (ie. Once Saved Always Saved).
What if it did not mean that though?
30 Oct 19
@rajk999 saidNo one has said don’t obey Christ, and what I have shared with you isn’t mumbo jumbo it from Christ and the Apostles, you can ignore that to your own hurt, possibly your own destruction.
Thats a pile of church mumbo jumbo. You can continue with your foolishness all you want but it is you church people who preach disobedience to the commandments of Christ that do not belong to God. Statements like these are all over the teachings of Christ and the Apostles :
[i]If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's co ...[text shortened]... d lip service to the commandments of Christ are going straight to damnation. Bon voyage church boy.
30 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidThats bad grammar. Scriptures speak of, or speak about our salvation. Not scriptures speak to our salvation. Learn some proper English.
The thing is I don’t accuse you of things you don’t say, as you do with everyone you claim teaches don’t follow Christ commands. While you are avoiding scripture that speaks to our salvation.
30 Oct 19
@rajk999 said"While you are avoiding scripture that speaks to our salvation."
Thats bad grammar. Scriptures speak of, or speak about our salvation. Not scriptures speak to our salvation. Learn some proper English.
I said this, altering words to complain is about my grammar shows a lack of integrity, that pretty much goes along with your false claims about suggesting people preach against obeying Christ when no one does. You are suppressing the truth with these word games, and I guess if you have to avoid addressing scripture, that is all you got. Scripture is unambiguous; your accusations have no truth in them, and if you don’t repent it isn’t going to go well for you.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!
John 15:4
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.
Romans 8:9
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
30 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidGo get you brain checked out. We have been discussing the very same topic for years. Yet you want to carry on as if you have no memory. Take a hike.
"While you are avoiding scripture that speaks to our salvation."
I said this, altering words to complain is about my grammar shows a lack of integrity, that pretty much goes along with your false claims about suggesting people preach against obeying Christ when no one does. You are suppressing the truth with these word games, and I guess if you have to avoid addressing sc ...[text shortened]... e Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
30 Oct 19
@rajk999 saidNot addressing the truth of scripture isn't going to spare you, playing word games with the truth isn't going to spare you, discussing the same topic for years is only going to show you wanted to avoid what the Word says, that isn't going to spare you either. You will have no excuse when you hear the word, "I never knew you" when you can read it for yourself out of scripture what Jesus requires, in addition to doing good works, which doesn't save, the blood of Christ does.
Go get you brain checked out. We have been discussing the very same topic for years. Yet you want to carry on as if you have no memory. Take a hike.
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
Revelation 1:4-6 English Standard Version (ESV)
John to the seven churches that are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
31 Oct 19
@sonship saidWhat are you asking here?
@KellyJay
[quote] What you miss is in order to have your name removed it must first be there to be removed. What you have been avoiding is the only real question that matters and that is, is Christ in you now? If you are not abiding in Christ attached to the Vine, you have no part in Christ, if you don’t have the Holy Spirit now you don’t belong to God. Are our names writt ...[text shortened]... he Assurance of salvation (ie. Once Saved Always Saved).
What if it did not mean that though?
"What if it did not mean that though?"
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What are you asking here?
"What if it did not mean that though?"
There are two particularly strong warnings in the seven letters to the seven churches, IMO. That is the warning to Smryna and the warning to Sardis.
One - being "hurt" by the second death (2:11).
The other - having one's name "erased" ... from the book of life." (3:5)
I gather that you regard these both as warnings from Christ about the loss of eternal redemption and eternal life TO ... those who became Christian believers.
If we can, maybe, I would discuss these with you to show. I would attempt to show you that all of the seven promises or warnings in the seven churches are regarding not eternity but either / and the church age and up to the end of the millennial kingdom.
But I will be away from the Forum until late this evening. We can do so in a way that only continually exalts our Lord Jesus, regardless. Amen?
Carry on.
31 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidThe New American Standard Bible that I have places the completion of the book of John A.D. 85 - 90, the books of 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John A.D. 90 - 95, and Revelation A.D 95.
I didn't look it up in the books I have, but did a search, how valid it is I don't know I am now very curious and will start looking into it.
Name of the Book: REVELATION
Writer: APOSTLE JOHN
Place Written: PATMOS ISLAND
Writing Completed: 96 C. E.
Name of the Book: 1 JOHN
Writer: APOSTLE JOHN
Place Written: EPHESUS, or near
Writing Completed: 98 C. E.
Name of the ...[text shortened]... f the Book: JOHN
Writer: APOSTLE JOHN
Place Written: EPHESUS, or near
Writing Completed: 98 C. E.
31 Oct 19
@sonship saidI would be honored to discuss this topic. Even if we part agreeing to disagree at the end.
@KellyJay
What are you asking here?
"What if it did not mean that though?"
There are two particularly strong warnings in the seven letters to the seven churches, IMO. That is the warning to Smryna and the warning to Sardis.
One - being "hurt" by the second death (2:11).
The other - having one's name [b]"era ...[text shortened]... g. We can do so in a way that only continually exalts our Lord Jesus, regardless. Amen?
Carry on.
31 Oct 19
@divegeester saidYou seem to be admitting that you are one of those left-wing lunatic unbelievers.
I’m directly addressing the use of language in the written text, the syntax, the use of metaphor and simile to convey a story.
You of course are free to ignore this fact and attempt to claim that I’m making something up. This allows you to dodge the point in my post, ignore what is actually written in the bible and hold on to your right-wing notions of vengeance and torture for the people who don’t subscribe to your religion.