@divegeester saidI really doubt he's Palamar. medulla's been playing since 2005 and has made over a quarter of a million moves. For one thing an American would be really unlikely to have heard of Northamptonshire and even if they had would write it like that rather than use the abbreviation.
I’ve read both.
Oh and by the way....welcome back @Edward-Palamar ... is it?
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So the big danger that everyone is facing is the pending issue of the Mark if the beast. It doesn’t matter about anything else if you take it as it looks as though that’s the end of the game.
What do you think, I’d be interested to hear ?
I would teach that the beast is a MAN. Though the world powers are certainly indicated in the symbolism.
But the beast - the Antichrist, is an individual man. I would not concur with expositions which attempt to teach that the beast in chapter 13 is not a man.
I wrote much on chapter 4. But I care sometimes too much about what I want to say and not enough about what people are able to hear. I warned KellyJay that I get over enthusiastic about this wonderful book Revelation. My fear didn't take long to come true. lol.
@deepthought saidI’m obviously missing something here.
I really doubt he's Palamar. medulla's been playing since 2005 and has made over a quarter of a million moves. For one thing an American would be really unlikely to have heard of Northamptonshire and even if they had would write it like that rather than use the abbreviation.
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@divegeester said
I’ve read both.
Oh and by the way....welcome back @Edward-Palamar ... is it?
@medullah?
This Stuff?
If so what is the question?
@sonship saidHi Sonship
@medullah
So the big danger that everyone is facing is the pending issue of the Mark if the beast. It doesn’t matter about anything else if you take it as it looks as though that’s the end of the game.
What do you think, I’d be interested to hear ?
I would teach that the beast is a MAN. Though the world powers are certainly indicated in the symbolis ...[text shortened]... thusiastic about this wonderful book Revelation. My fear didn't take long to come true. lol.
I've not heard a comprensive case for an-antichrist per say - I'd always thought it was a group or class, not an individual. The whole Anti-Christ thing didnt really comer to the fore until they made The Omen. Anyway, I am open to persuasion, so hit me with it 🙂
The idea of the seven headed beast being governments ties in with Daniel - Hiary he-goat= Greece; Two horned Ram = Medo/Persian Empire.
Same sort of thing is used modern day.
British Lion
American Eagle
Russian Bear
Happy to hear from you.
@medullah saidAre you also the poster @Edward-Palamar?
@divegeester
Oh and by the way....welcome back @Edward-Palamar ... is it?
If so what is the question?
It’s a simple question denoted by my use of a question mark at the end of it. I do have doubts about your ability to decipher the book of Revelation with your claimed “key” i.e. the book of Daniel, if you cannot even understand plain contemporary English old chap.
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I've not heard a comprensive case for an-antichrist per say - I'd always thought it was a group or class, not an individual. The whole Anti-Christ thing didnt really comer to the fore until they made The Omen. Anyway, I am open to persuasion, so hit me with it 🙂
My best mentors taught me that first you have to master all the facts. You have to read until you are clear about the facts being related. Gathering the facts, then you deal with exactly what has been stated to arrive at better interpretations.
Many don't do well with Revelation just because they do not pay close enough attention to the facts.
In the next post on antichrist - the beast, I will try to give you a demonstration of how you HAVE to master all of the facts first.
@divegeester saidI only have one RHP account which is this one, and have never held a second.
Are you also the poster @Edward-Palamar?
It’s a simple question denoted by my use of a question mark at the end of it. I do have doubts about your ability to decipher the book of Revelation with your claimed “key” i.e. the book of Daniel, if you cannot even understand plain contemporary English old chap.
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First, I would say to read for spiritual nourishment and to feed your spiritual being. This can happen even though you do not understand everything you read in the Bible.
Next you must collect all of the FACTS. Gather up all of the things it SAYS about a certain thing.
Now watch.
And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads and on his horns ten diadems, and on his heads names of blasphemy. (13:1)
Now having this alone, I would agree, that the beast there is probably not an individual. But look at more of the facts.
One of his heads was as it were slain to death, and his death stroke was healed. And the whole earth marveled after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast, saying, Who is like the beast? and who can make war with him? (13:3,4)
Even up to here we may not be totally clear that an individual is signified by this beast. But the indications grow more clear.
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And there was given to HIM a mouth speaking great things.
This is more like the activity of an individual.
And HE opened HIS mouth for blasphemies against God ... (13:6a)
This too is more like the actions of an individual person.
And all those dwelling on the earth will worship HIM, ... (13:8a)
Even more this is like the worship of an individual man rather than the worship of a system.
Then we see in verses 18 the number of the beast is the number of "a man".
And that no one may be able to buy or sell exept him has who has the mark, that is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. (vs.17,18)
This pretty much seals it that the beast should be understood as a MAN. That is a man whose name is coded as a number.
But if this is not enough to convince us that a MAN is signified by the beast, I don't think there is anyway to deny that chapter 17 specifically indicates that a MAN is the Antichrist - the beast.
Here is a mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are the seven mountains where the woman sits.
And are seven kings .. (17:9)
Seven mountains is probably the seven hills upon which the city Rome is built. However they are ALSO symbolic of "seven kings" . Kings are individual men. Right?
Now follow the facts carefully .
And seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain only a short time.
AND THE BEAST ... who was and is not, he himself is also the eighth and is out of the seven. (v. 10,11)
See? The beast is therefore one of the seven KINGS. So the BEAST is a man, a king, an individual. He has a number, which calculates out to mean Ceasar Nero.
But I will not go into detail about that calculation in this post. Nor other aspects of this do I cover here. My main point is to show you that the FACTS point to this beast being ultimately an individual MAN.
Here is the decisive verse to prove this - "And the beast who was and is not, he himself is also the eighth and is out of the seven and goes into perdition." He is therefore a king out of the seven kings.
I can elaborate further if you can digest this much.