29 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesteror he could simply use reason and logic to refute your ludicrous assertions.
That was the 14th of August; where have you been since then?
You can see the level of retardation I've been dealing with dude - you really need to check in more frequently if you don't want your post buried under pages and pages of JW obfuscation.
29 Aug 14
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Originally posted by josephwBy page 37 we were already into the gist of the point I was/am making:
Originally posted by divegeester
Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
Genesis 2:8
I'm inviting speculation or theology.
What did the soil in the garden consist of?
Soil
noun
1 : firm land : earth
2 a : the upper layer of earth that may be dug or plowed and in which plants grow ...[text shortened]... reign contaminants or disease.
[b]I posted that on page 37 geester. Got nothing in reply.[/b]
The tree of life is symbolic - obviously so, it's in revelation as symbolic also if it was real with roots etc. Then what type of soil was it feeding on - soil with decaying matter in it? Decay only entered after sin - so we have the tree of life feeding on matter affected by sin. Doesn’t sound right does it.
If it was real - where is it now? Galveston claims it was still in the Garden of Eden (feeding on the soil with death in it) up to the Noah flood where it was destroyed. So, the tree of life is in his opinion, dead. Bizarro life tree – but what do you expect from the JWs.
RJHinds is a little less pessimistic but much more Hollywood, proposing that the tree was whisked up to heaven (Elijah/Enoch like) to save it from the flood. Despite being plain silly it sort of makes the tree somewhat pointless. A tree of life in heaven.
I've back up my assertions with Revelation 22 where the tree is described as having 12 types of fruits (all the nations represented by the `12 tribes) and having healing leaves for the nations. I've also pointed to the symbolism of the "way to the tree of life" being Christ (Jesus is the WAY is he not) and the way being guarded by the flaming sword which is the sword of the spirit, the word of God - (I referenced Ephesians for this but most Christians will not need reference) - i.e. Jesus is the way and the way to Jesus is through the word and the spirit. It is for all peoples of the earth as the sword turns all ways but guards only one way. THE way.
What do you think?
29 Aug 14
Geeeez just woke up and noticed 1100 comments on this thread and guess who has probably posted at least half of them all by his little self? Our dearest of friends "Divegeester" as usual.
Does he ever work, does he ever sleep, does he ever eat, does he ever go to the potty? Who knows but what a man with his never ending endurance of keeping a thread going beyond the endurance level of any mortal man ( and way beyond common sence of a normal human being ) that walks this planet. He must be a man/God among us weak mortal humans.
All of us now please bow to the man of all men, the awesome man/god "Divegeester"! !!!!
29 Aug 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI've again posted a synopsis of my position with scripture and with Biblical parallel and examples. But all you two clowns can do is spam up the thread with your obfuscation and deflection.
Divegeesters retardo posts, read them, they will make you dumber by the second.
29 Aug 14
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Originally posted by galveston75By the way how did that complaint about me to the site admins go in the end? I never heard anything in the wake of your hysteria in the "Forum Etiquette" thread. And wern't you about to cancel your subscription and leave taking all your toys with you - what happened with that little hissy-fit?
Geeeez just woke up and noticed 1100 comments on this thread and guess who has probably posted at least half of them all by his little self? Our dearest of friends "Divegeester" as usual.
Does he ever work, does he ever sleep, does he ever eat, does he ever go to the potty? Who knows but what a man with his never ending endurance of keeping a thread go ...[text shortened]... umans.
All of us now please bow to the man of all men, the awesome man/god "Divegeester"! !!!!
29 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesterI try not to think too much! 😉
By page 37 we were already into the gist of the point I was/am making:
The tree of life is symbolic - obviously so, it's in revelation as symbolic also if it was real with roots etc. Then what type of soil was it feeding on - soil with decaying matter in it? Decay only entered after sin - so we have the tree of life feeding on matter affected by sin. ...[text shortened]... f the earth as the sword turns all ways but guards only one way. THE way.
What do you think?
To begin with, as far as I can tell the tree of life is a literal tree. Just as is the "tree of knowledge of good and evil."
The objection to literalism is made by man, and as far as I can tell he is full of ..it. Why should I water down the plain language of scripture? When did I get so much knowledge that I can place my word above that of God's? When did any mere mortal become the authority over God's Word?
I keep it simple. Learn what I can from what is written, as it was written, without changing the plain meaning of the Word by adding my own interpretation. It says what it says, and means what it means.
Where it gets tricky is in the application of God's Word to the spirit of man. The union between man and God is in God's Word. God's Word in man. God in man.
The Spirit of God joined to/with the the spirit of man in the body of the man, which God created for that purpose in the first place. As far as I can tell.
29 Aug 14
Originally posted by josephwYou know what, I thought OK josephw has made the effort to post and called me on overlooking your post on what was it...page 37 or something. So I make an effort and what do get - this.
I try not to think too much!
With respect my friend if you're not interested in topic please don't waste my time.
29 Aug 14
Originally posted by divegeesterHey! What did I say that sets you off like that? Gotta get all bound up over it like your thread had been violated in some way.
You know what, I thought OK josephw has made the effort to post and called me on overlooking your post on what was it...page 37 or something. So I make an effort and what do get - this.
With respect my friend if you're not interested in topic please don't waste my time.
I mean, who knows what the soil was like in the garden of Eden anyway? All speculation.
You just don't like it that I believe in the literal account of Genesis. 🙂
29 Aug 14
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Originally posted by josephwI made an effort to engage with you on the thread topic and despite calling me out on not responding to you way back on page 37 you obviously have no opinion on the the topic anyway, no original thoughts regarding it's implications on fundamentalist Chritian beliefs and lack the willingness to explore other avenues of thinking about the issues in play. You are a timewaster.
Hey! What did I say that sets you off like that?