The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by divegeester
Now tell me my son, other an your "self certified opinion", what "empirical evidence" do you have that the tree of life was destroyed on the Noah flood?

He didn't claim to have empirical evidence, your argument is a straw man argument, a misrepresentation and intellectually dishonest and a failure to think in a rational way. Its no wonder you slobber and drool your way through cyber space. Why are you stalking him?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
[galveston75] didn't claim to have empirical evidence...

Does that mean that galveston75's personal opinion on this issue is an example of what you often refer to as a "self-certified opinion"?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
He didn't claim to have empirical evidence...

So his claims are just his personal opinion or are they in line with JW teaching on the matter?

Originally posted by divegeester
So his claims are just his personal opinion or are they in line with JW teaching on the matter?

Wow.... 1129 post and you still didn't get the answers from my post. So sad one can be so blinded by their own stubborness.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Promix soaked in 20 20 20 Nutrex.

Rajk999, get it together buddy it was Promix soaked in 21 21 23 Nutrex!
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
It's a genuine question for any Christian interested.

Considering that death had not yet entered and that soil is fundamentally decomposing dead stuff mixed in with minerals, water and a few microbes; where did the dead stuff and microbes come from?

Death is not a requirement for life.
Kelly

Originally posted by galveston75
Wow.... 1129 post and you still didn't get the answers from my post. So sad one can be so blinded by their own stubborness.

Do you think robbie's "self-certified opinion" label, which he often mentions and seeks to apply to the opinions of others, applies to the personal opinions you have have expressed on the fate of the Tree of Life on this thread?

Originally posted by galveston75
Wow.... 1129 post and you still didn't get the answers from my post. So sad one can be so blinded by their own stubborness.

Is your claim that the tree of life was destroyed in the garden of Eden by the Noah flood, in line with Jehovah's Witness teaching on the matter or is it your own opinion?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Death is not a requirement for life.
Kelly

I'm not sure what you are basing this comment on, but it is certainly not in anyway supported by biblical scripture nor the Christian [and Hebrew] concept of atonement. Even in science this statement is unsupportable as everything that is consumed by a human being comes from something that has died to be on our dinner plate.

Quick sample evidence from the scriptural standpoint:

John 12:24
Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.

Originally posted by divegeester
I'm not sure what you are basing this comment on, but it is certainly not in anyway supported by biblical scripture nor the Christian concept of atonement. Even in science this statement is unsupportable as everything that is consumed by a human being comes from something that has died to be on our dinner plate.

Quick sample evidence from the scriptu ...[text shortened]... the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.[/b]

You are talking about dirt, not seeds. God when He created life from the dirt
didn't require death before hand.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are talking about dirt, not seeds. God when He created life from the dirt
didn't require death before hand.
Kelly

When god created Adam he crested him from "dust" not dirt [soil].

Genesis 3:19

Edit: Outside of this example and post sin entering, death is [somehow] always required for life, both natural life and eternal life.

Originally posted by divegeester
When god created Adam he crested him from "dust" not dirt [soil].

Genesis 3:19

Edit: Outside of this example and post sin entering, death is [somehow] always required for life.

Genesis 1:
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


God brought forth life from the earth, be it dust or dirt. No death required.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Genesis 1:
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that ...[text shortened]... them.


God brought forth life from the earth, be it dust or dirt. No death required.
Kelly

I accept that pre-sin entering the world god created everything perfect, when I accepted the example of Adam I was implicitly accepting all pre-sin creation. I did say that I was referring to "post sin entering".

Originally posted by KellyJay
God brought forth life from the earth, be it dust or dirt.

Referring to my OP; I wonder if there is a difference between the dust of the earth and the soil in the garden of Eden, pre-sin and post sin.

Originally posted by divegeester
I accept that pre-sin entering the world god created everything perfect, when I accepted the example of Adam I was implicitly accepting all pre-sin creation. I did say that I was referring to "post sin entering".

The garden was planted before sin:

Genesis 2:
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.