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17 Nov 21
@sonship saidJesus said the wise man keeps the commandments and reaps everlasting life.
Rajk999 re-employs a challenge to the assurance of eternal redemption.
[quote] No inheritance, does not mean temporary punishment, except in your deluded little mind. .Here, twist these if you can:
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the ...[text shortened]... any other believers to put themselves in a condition that that might be their state before the Lord.
The fool [you], calls Lord Lord, ignores the teachings of Christ and reaps everlasting destruction.
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@Rajk999
You are still EVADING the specific questions on critical matters of regeneration - being "born again" and "resurrection."
"I'll do something ELSE instead" is your usual mode of operation.
If I cannot get it out of you, I will engage someone else who notices the ambiguity of your presentation of "born again" and "resurrection" both of Jesus and of those who He raises to enter into the age of the millennial kingdom.
Whistling your way to "business as usual" may fool some. It doesn't fool me.
You will never be able to fool me on this littke look the other way maneuver.
17 Nov 21
@sonship saidI see no question about the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. I see questions directed at me, about me, which I have stated already have no bearing on any discussion.
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You are still EVADING the specific questions on critical matters of regeneration - being "born again" and "resurrection."
"I'll do something ELSE instead" is your usual mode of operation.
If I cannot get it out of you, I will engage someone else who notices the ambiguity of your presentation of "born again" and "resurrectio ...[text shortened]... t doesn't fool me.
You will never be able to fool me on this littke look the other way maneuver.
If there is a proper question then ask it clearly and concisely otherwise it will be ignored.
17 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidBelittling me does not prove anything what I quoted is straight from scripture, I didn’t even add commentary to it. You addressed me quoting scriptures that had nothing to do with the point of the text I quoted.
Whenever a Christian can only repeat like a parrot the first principle of the oracles of God, he is an immature Christian. All Christians here because of the influence of their church have failed to mature into teachers of the Gospel of Christ, and need a teacher themselves to help them move toward righteousness and good works. Mature Christians know and understand the im ...[text shortened]... ittle child. You have been posting the same elementary first principles for years. Time to grow up.
Your opinion of me is meaningless as mine is of you. God’s free gift isn’t earned if it was it wouldn’t be a gift but a job with a payoff in the end.
@kellyjay saidIt may come as a surprise to you but in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, there is no mention of any free gift. Now if you are speaking of the gospel of your church, I know that the church pastors tell that to people. They get that free gift doctrine from the Gospel of Paul and twist it and make it say what they know people want to hear. People like the hear lies and false doctrines that make them feel good, doctrines which say they have nothing to do and they have eternal life. Then then they take their money and give it to the church pastor who drives the best cars and live in the biggest houses and have private jets etc. So you are being fooled. In fact you are paying a man to fool you. ... so you are the fool.
Belittling me does not prove anything what I quoted is straight from scripture, I didn’t even add commentary to it. You addressed me quoting scriptures that had nothing to do with the point of the text I quoted.
Your opinion of me is meaningless as mine is of you. God’s free gift isn’t earned if it was it wouldn’t be a gift but a job with a payoff in the end.
17 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidAnd this why you need to read the whole Bible not cherry picking only the passages that you like.
It may come as a surprise to you but in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, there is no mention of any free gift. Now if you are speaking of the gospel of your church, I know that the church pastors tell that to people. They get that free gift doctrine from the Gospel of Paul and twist it and make it say what they know people want to hear. People like the hear lies and false d ...[text shortened]... ts etc. So you are being fooled. In fact you are paying a man to fool you. ... so you are the fool.
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It may come as a surprise to you but in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, there is no mention of any free gift.
King James Version [my bolding] Romans 5:15
"But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many."
Rajk999 will probably argue that the book of Romans is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
17 Nov 21
@sonship saidNothing to argue about. Its a fact that the book of Romans is not the Gospel of Christ.
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It may come as a surprise to you but in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, there is no mention of any free gift.
King James Version [my bolding]
"But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jes ...[text shortened]... "
Rajk999 will probably argue that the book of Romans is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@kellyjay saidYou got a few loose screws. That was discussed early in this same thread. Like Paul said some of you who are supposed to be teachers my now, are still stuck on first principles and you cannot progress into mature Christians who understand righteousness ang good works.
What passages do you consider the Gospel of Christ?
So I will say it again. Somewhere in Luke 7 and in Matt 7 to 10, you will find that Jesus said he preached the Gospel, and he is sending out the disciples [who listened to his teachings on the Gospel], to preach the Gospel all over Israel. The Gospel of Christ therefore must be contained in the chapters prior to that point when Jesus sent out the disciples.
Its a very difficult and complicated concept ... so I will say it again if you need to to but I hope you got it now.
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Brother KellyJay,
I am embarrassed and saddened that you have to read such nonsense from this poster Rajk999. I love the opening to Paul's letter to the Romans.
Romans 1:1-4
"Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, a called apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through the prophets in the holy Scriptures,
Concerning His Son, who came out of the seed of David according to the flesh,
Who was designated the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness out of the resurrection of the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord."
@sonship saidYou should be embarrassed and saddened about yourself. How is what Paul said there contrary to the Gospel of Christ?
Brother KellyJay,
I am embarrassed and saddened that you have to read such nonsense from this poster Rajk999. I love the opening to Paul's letter to the Romans.
Romans 1:1-4
"Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, a called apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through the prophets in the holy Scriptures,
Concerning ...[text shortened]... ording to the Spirit of holiness out of the resurrection of the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord."
The Gospel of Christ are the things taught by Christ to the masses of people. The Gospel is the Good News about Christ and the Kingdom of God and what is necessary for entry into that Kingdom. .. Belief, Repentance, Baptism and Righteousness.
Many things are taught in the scriptures, but not all is the Gospel of Christ.... eg Christ telling Nicodemus that he must be born again is NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, simply because this was never taught and preached to anyone but Nicodemus.
By the way you think suddenly referring to some Christian as 'brother' make me feel insulted ? Thats like Satan calling you brother ... Ewww ... Get away !!! And in case you did not realise it KJ secretly thinks you are a Jacka$$$, and I know he disagrees with most of your nonsense doctrines. Its just that he does not have the balls to come out and oppose you.
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@kellyjay saidA Gospel for the 21st Century:
I wrote this elsewhere, and thought I’d share it here too.
We have a lot of debates here, arguments, discussions, name-calling, fear-mongering, friendships occurring, uplifting words of encouragement, empathic response to others’ pain, total indifference to others, hate, and on and on. We discuss truth, lies, information, and disinformation and what those are when we appl ...[text shortened]... one thing alone that has nothing to do with us; we can rely on God’s love for us, for he is worthy.
If there is some Cosmic Intelligence that corresponds to our idea of God, It probably hopes for our forgiveness, for putting us in our more or less horrific situations.
Aside from that, people will face difficulties and maybe some horrific occurrences as well as some self-torture from imagining such things in advance, and then they will die and that's it. End of story.
Now go in peace and try to get along and be more appreciative.
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In Matthew 23 Jesus predicts that He will send scribes, wise men, and prophets who will be persecuted. The question is did these suffer for the gospel of Jesus Christ or for something else?
"Therefore, behold, I send to you prophets and wise men and scribes. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city." (Matt. 23:34)
The Apostle Paul certainly qualifies as one of Christ's sent writing scribes penning down letters like Romans which were recognized as inspired Scripture. He also functioned as a prophet and a wise man. The Apostle Peter recommended Paul as one whose letters should be read by the Christians (2 Pret. 3:16).
Is Rajk999 actually saying that the Apostle Paul ( persecuted from city to city and latter beheaded by Nero) did not bring the gospel of Jesus Christ to people ?
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@sonship saidSo what if anyone at any time wrote whatever?
In Matthew 23 Jesus predicts that He will send scribes, wise men, and prophets who will be persecuted. The question is did these suffer for the gospel of Jesus Christ or for something else?
[b]"Therefore, behold, I send to you prophets and wise men and scribes. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute fro ...[text shortened]... from city to city and latter beheaded by Nero) did not bring the gospel of Jesus Christ to people ?
To some extent it's fine that you and other seemingly voluntary delusionals batten onto these mad scriptures for solace and sustenance, but to some of the rest of us you just seem like crazy people who for no reason other than fear of real-world retribution by the delusionals need to be accommodated.