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@rajk999 saidBE SPECIFIC for crying out loud, you go off on its not the gospel, and you replay, "somewhere in..." Do you even know, do you have a scripture reference, or are you just making it up?
You got a few loose screws. That was discussed early in this same thread. Like Paul said some of you who are supposed to be teachers my now, are still stuck on first principles and you cannot progress into mature Christians who understand righteousness ang good works.
So I will say it again. Somewhere in Luke 7 and in Matt 7 to 10, you will find that Jesus said he preach ...[text shortened]... cult and complicated concept ... so I will say it again if you need to to but I hope you got it now.
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@kellyjay saidGospel, Shmospel, abiding in Christ is where it's at. š
BE SPECIFIC for crying out loud, you go off on its not the gospel, and you replay, "somewhere in..." Do you even know, do you have a scripture reference, or are you just making it up?
18 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidWhere do you find the scriptural references for what you claim is the gospel of Christ? Paul wrote most of the New Testament you and not he knows!? Lay it out, explain it? What text, be specific!
You should be embarrassed and saddened about yourself. How is what Paul said there contrary to the Gospel of Christ?
The Gospel of Christ are the things taught by Christ to the masses of people. The Gospel is the Good News about Christ and the Kingdom of God and what is necessary for entry into that Kingdom. .. Belief, Repentance, Baptism and Righteousness.
Many things ...[text shortened]... ost of your nonsense doctrines. Its just that he does not have the balls to come out and oppose you.
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Rajk999 writes:
The Gospel of Christ are the things taught by Christ to the masses of people. The Gospel is the Good News about Christ and the Kingdom of God and what is necessary for entry into that Kingdom. .. Belief, Repentance, Baptism and Righteousness.
Jesus spoke of things He did not at that time speak but would speak after His resurrection some time. Rajk999 must teach that these things were not part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
"There are yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when He, the Spirit of reality, comes, He will guide you into all the reality; for He will not speak from Himself, but what He hears He will speak; and He will declare to you the things that are coming." (John 16:12,13)
Is is possible that Rajk999 excludes these things from being a part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ?
In speaking of Himself in another form as the Spirit of truth Jesus says -
"He will glorify Me, for He will receive of Mine and will declare it to you. All that the Father has is Mine; for this reason I have said that He receives of Mine and will declare it to you." (vs. 14,15)
Does Rajk999 want to eliminate these things said after His resurrection (even after His exaltation) as not the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
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Many things are taught in the scriptures, but not all is the Gospel of Christ.... eg Christ telling Nicodemus that he must be born again is NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, simply because this was never taught and preached to anyone but Nicodemus.
That is New Testament twisting on its face. The teaching of the rich man how to enter into the kingdom of God was spoken to him personally.
Matthew 18:16 - "And behold, someone came to Him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life."
John 3:1,2 - "But there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This one came to Him by night and said to Him, Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher . . . " .
Rajk999 in his chaotic and desperate twisting of the New Testaments wants to say the teaching of Matthew 18 is part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but for some reason the teaching of John 3 is not part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
And it was Rajk999, way back, who took the initiative to declare that he was not my brother in Christ. He declared it before I referred to someone else here as Brother.
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@kellyjay saidPaul was a controlling manic busybody who might have had an epilectic fit misinterpreted as a divine blessing, aside from being too full of himself and declaring himself the 13th/14th God-annointed Apostle or whatever. The poor guy might have been a false prophet despite all his fervor.
Where do you find the scriptural references for what you claim is the gospel of Christ? Paul wrote most of the New Testament you and not he knows!? Lay it out, explain it? What text, be specific!
Jesus was the Son and voice of God (in the Christian framework of understanding the Cosmos).
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Rajk999 writes.
The Gospel of Christ are the things taught by Christ to the masses of people. The Gospel is the Good News about Christ and the Kingdom of God and what is necessary for entry into that Kingdom. .. Belief, Repentance, Baptism and Righteousness.
Which one of these cardinal aspects is absent from the book of Romans ?
Paul said he was an ambassador in a chain for the gospel of Christ and asked the churches to pray for him to speak boldly.
" . . . and petition for all the saints, and for me, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known in boldness the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in a chain, that in it I would speak boldly, as I ought to speak." (Eph. 6:18c-20)
But Rajk999 wants to say Paul was not an ambassador for the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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himself the 13th/14th God-annointed Apostle or whatever.
Where did the Apostle Paul declare himself some THE 13th or THE 14th Apostle ?
I read that he said he was less than the least of all saints -
"To me, less than the least of all saints, was this grace given to announce to the Gentiles . . . etc." (Eph. 3:8)
I read that he said he was not fit to be called an apostle because he persecuted the church.
"For I am the least of the apostles, who am not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God." (1 Cor. 15:9)
Where do I go to read about this declaration of being THE "13th" or THE "14th" Apostle?
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@sonship saidWhat he just said isn't exactly true either, since He told the 12 things the masses didn't hear, he explained things to the 12 the masses didn't hear. Jesus called out Paul and told Paul the Lord had a work for Paul to do. That also isn't something the masses experienced either. I'm starting to understand why his definition of the gospel is somewhere in the scriptures, so he doesn't just point to specific text.
Rajk999 writes.The Gospel of Christ are the things taught by Christ to the masses of people. The Gospel is the Good News about Christ and the Kingdom of God and what is necessary for entry into that Kingdom. .. Belief, Repentance, Baptism and Righteousness.
Which one of these cardinal aspects is absent from the book of Romans ?
Paul said he ...[text shortened]... c-20)[/b]
But Rajk999 wants to say Paul was not an ambassador for the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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Rajk999 process is that of many heretics.
1.) Decide what you want to believe is good news.
2.) Find passages which support that and call them the Gospel.
3.) Sections of the New Testament that do not support that only use selectively.
IE. James is good when it says "faith without works is dead" . Otherwise those things in the epistles and in Acts are usually outside of the scope of Gospel teaching.
IE. Romans is good when it says "doers of the law shall be justified." Otherwise Romans is not a part of the Gospel teaching.
Though he is good at being guarded about from whom he gets this kind of indoctrination, lots of it smells like Jehovah's Witness teacher's guide workbooks.
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Rajk999 was bothered that I called Kellyjay a "Brother".
Okay strictly speaking Kellyjay doesn't know if I really am his Christian brother.
God knows about both of us.
I for one confess - Me - sonship - Jack Wilmore - my God and Lord is the Lord Jesus Christ.
I suspect that unlike Rajk999 Kellyjay has no problem confessing Jesus as Lord.
No man can say Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit.
Besides, agreement on every single doctrinal matter does not make two brothers or sisters in Christ. It is the sense that Christ has RECEIVED the person that we realize.
Brothers and sisters because of sharing the SAME life, the life of the Father and of Jesus the Son of God.
"Therefore receive one another, as Christ also received you to the glory of God." (Rom. 15:7)
I am not infallible in my discernment. Neither is Kellyjay. But we Christians do have a sense because we have been graciously received by the Lord, often we can tell another also has been received mercifully to have faith by the same Lord.
Rajk999, took the initiative in the past to declare he was not any spiritual brother of mine. I think he was right.
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Jesus was the Son and voice of God (in the Christian framework of understanding the Cosmos).
Kevin, Jesus is the voice of God for knowing God HIMSELF.
God has spoken to us in the Son.
His speaking is His life. His speaking is all He has done and His coming to our conscience to touch us to turn our hearts to receive Jesus as Lord and let Him into our innermost heart and spiritual being.
Jesus is to know not only about God or about the Cosmos. Before that He is for the knowing of God for Himself - for knowing intimately and personally as well as corporately God as a living Person.
God is not just a "force" or a "vibration" in the Cosmos. He is a living Heavenly Father.
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@sonship saidSo many times you and others here and elsewhere seem to turn your minds toward scraps of verbiage, which could be considered false idols.
@Kevin-Elevenhimself the 13th/14th God-annointed Apostle or whatever.
Where did the Apostle Paul declare himself some THE 13th or THE 14th Apostle ?
I read that he said he was less than the least of all saints -
"To me, less than the least of all saints, was this grace given to announce to the Gentiles . . . etc." (Eph. 3:8)
...[text shortened]... 9) [/b]
Where do I go to read about this declaration of being THE "13th" or THE "14th" Apostle?
What if you were to relax into God instead of seeking God through the verbiage of some men of this Earth planet?
Or would you rather not let go of that? Do you prefer holding on to that verbiage instead of relaxing into God?
P.S. -- Sorry for being combative. I seem to have become more combative in recent years. My view is that verbiage might give us some guidance, but it can also be an obstruction to relaxing into God (in the Christian conceptual framework).
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So many times you and others here and elsewhere seem to turn your minds toward scraps of verbiage, which could be considered false idols.
So far this is eloquent evasion of a practical problem in NT reading.
I'll go on to see if more substance to address the matter is proposed.
Paul was a persecutor of the Christians who God stopped in his tracks and transformed into an sent one, an apostle. He never forgot his humble beginnings as a blasphemer and an enemy of Jesus, consenting to the deaths of Christians and forcing them to recant.
And if we are a sinner here on earth and need God's forgiveness, we will still need His cleansing redemption if we take our sins to one of the moons of Neptune or the planet Mars.
Then we would simply be one who is sinful who has changed his location.
Remember that before Elon Musk has you all hoodwinked that getting up there is all what mankind needs.