TO ALL OF REDHOTPAWN

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
I have more proof for God than I have for myself.

Then how can you claim that you have it?

Originally posted by telerion
Then how can you claim that you have it?

Exactly.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Exactly.

admission that you can't prove there is a god as well then....

Originally posted by powershaker
Boy, you need Jesus if I've ever seen someone need Jesus. Other beliefs are irrelevant. There is only one Messiah, Jesus Christ. And, other religions do not boast the accuracy of scripture that the Bible does. Whose Messiah rose from the grave in three days? Did Buddah carry the sins of the world on His shoulders? Did Krishna? Do either of them bo ...[text shortened]... You truly are lost, and I pray you find your way to the open arms of the Savior Jesus Christ.

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Originally posted by Rolfey
admission that you can't prove there is a god as well then....

Again, with as much proof as you have for your existence, I will use more of the same to prove God's. Take the challenge or leave it.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Again, with as much proof as you have for your existence, I will use more of the same to prove God's. Take the challenge or leave it.

you have specifically stated that you have proof for god. i am asking you to show it. clearly you can't so your statement is wrong.
i do not have to prove i exist for the state of existence as we understand it clearly shows I do exist.

regardless of whether or not i prove this you still can not show proof that god exists and you know it.

Originally posted by Rolfey
you have specifically stated that you have proof for god. i am asking you to show it. clearly you can't so your statement is wrong.
i do not have to prove i exist for the state of existence as we understand it clearly shows I do exist.

regardless of whether or not i prove this you still can not show proof that god exists and you know it.

Actually, I said I have more proof for God than I do for myself. Assuming the usual modes of proof for a human being's existence (unless you've come up with something previously overlooked) will be limited to what can be measured, and therefore givens; the same 'givens' are in place for God's existence.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Actually, I said I have more proof for God than I do for myself. Assuming the usual modes of proof for a human being's existence (unless you've come up with something previously overlooked) will be limited to what can be measured, and therefore givens; the same 'givens' are in place for God's existence.

stop stalling and start proving.

Originally posted by Rolfey
more than a fool believing in something without proof? why limit it to mythical god, why not include elves, rock trolls, leprachauns, the flying spaghetti monster etc... check this ref out:
http://www.venganza.org/
it shows that either you are a fool for believing or that you are accepting there really is a FSM.

I think it's called faith, which you admit to having none, Rolfey. Try joining the military. You often find God is right there with you. Better yet, pray this prayer to the Lord Jesus: Lord, if you exist - and I don't believe you do - then ask you to come into my heart or rather give me the spiritual reasons to believe in my heart you are the Messiah. I would like to believe in you, but I find myself in doubt when all there is is faith. Show me the way Lord. I am asking to find you, and your word promises that I will if I seek you. You said in your words knock and the door shall be opened. Lord, I am knocking. Take my heart unto yourself.

Get on your knees Rolfey, and fight like a man!

Originally posted by Rolfey
stop stalling and start proving.

Rolfey, the proof is in the cell, in the trees, in the improbability and astronomical certainy that we have an Earth positioned perfectly and measured perfecly in hundreds of different ways to support life. To say this was done by chance is clearly the state of being obtuse! And, the odds: 1 in 1, 000, 000,000, 000,000,000, 000,000,000, 000,000, 000, 000, etc...

Originally posted by powershaker
Rolfey, the proof is in the cell, in the trees, in the improbability and astronomical certainy that we have an Earth positioned perfectly and measured perfecly in hundreds of different ways to support life. To say this was done by chance is clearly the state of being obtuse! And, the odds: 1 in 1, 000, 000,000, 000,000,000, 000,000,000, 000,000, 000, 000, etc...

I once again urge to learn that A implies B and B implies A are different.

What if the way the Earth is gave rise to humans as we know it. What if something had been different, something you claim would make human life untenable and instead we were just slightly different. Adapted to a closer sun orbit or a less-oxygen atmosphere?

Humans have adapted to fill almost every niche on the planet, is it that hard to believe that over a longer period of time (millions of years which you claim don't exist) our ancestors could have adapted differently?

Originally posted by LemonJello
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And, HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT! Is Hell!

And, your blahs are definitive of your empty hearted words. You may not love God but He loves you, even when you spew your flippant denials of Jesus the Son of God. Open your heart!

Originally posted by Rolfey
So is that admission that you cannot prove it's existence? Earlier you said you could prove it, I was merely asking you to back that up. Yet another claim you can't prove, and you wonder why I call you a fool so often.

I can show you with astronomical certainty (against unreasonable odds) that God lives and so does his Son Jesus Christ. I think you have more to prove when you say, "There is no GOD!" I think you have the weight on your shoulders more so than I. Because, we know Jesus walked the Earth. We know our universe is constructed with intelligent design. We know someone had to write the code for DNA to make every single person unique but the same in a general sense. We know that if a encyclopedia fell from the sky and landed on Earth, you'd say the aliens wrote it! What do you say of the code to create human life. It's more complex than any encyclopedia. And, you still sit there and say - siding with the astronomical odds - that we just POOFED into exist??? I think you're the one who needs to prove something. I don't need to prove God. I have Him in my heart. And, I've felt him in my spirit. And, I've prayed to Him in the spirit. And, I know God lives.

Originally posted by powershaker
And, HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT! Is Hell!

And, your blahs are definitive of your empty hearted words. You may not love God but He loves you, even when you spew your flippant denials of Jesus the Son of God. Open your heart!

Blahdy, blahdy, blah. Yakkedy, yakkedy, yak.

I need your Jesus in the same way you need another injection of fanaticism. There is nothing wrong with my heart -- only your head. I hope you start living an existence filled with veracity and genuine passion. I hope you understand that as your own artist, you have the ability to create something more inspiring and beautiful than this sad collage of irrational fears.

Best wishes to you.

Originally posted by powershaker
I don't think a man with the name lucifershammer is one to talk. You seem to like the name of the devil in your screen name. I hope you care enough not to take the mark of the beast when the Antichrist comes. But, you seem rather proud to wear the name of the Father of Lies - the Greek version that is.

LOL. So you think lucifershammer is the one doing a disservice to your faith? That's very ironic if you want my opinion.