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@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou appear to have accidentally edited out part of my post.
That's lucky.
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@fmf saidThat probably was his argument. (Or something close to it).
divegeester said even the atonement of Jesus Himself wasn't altruistic
Perhaps, in accordance with divegeester's hardline definition of altruism, he thought Jesus had something to gain by allowing himself to be executed for sedition.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidNot for me it isn’t.
Do you agree your understanding of God is as convoluted as the Trinity?
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@rajk999 saidI’m interested in what medulla thinks which is why I’m asking him. I’m already aware of what you believe rajk999
The answer is simple, but you do not want to hear it. They have to stop living sinfully and await the judgment of God. The problem is that your church preaches to people this 'once saved always saved' nonsense doctrine, which is not in the bible and then ask these questions when faced with clear statements from Paul and other Apostles that there is no inheritance in the Kingdom of God if the born-again Christian reverts to a sinful lifestyle.
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10 Oct 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI thought it were bringing it up as issue for you, so I was surprised to see you do it.
Ditto 😀
It’s not a problem for me.
10 Oct 23
@divegeester saidLol .. I know. Im just harrassing you and giving Medula some ideas.
I’m interested in what medulla thinks which is why I’m asking him. I’m already aware of what you believe rajk999
10 Oct 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI think he is able to argue his corner well on just about every issue. My reasons for finding things like "the Trinity" and the Doctrine of Atonement to be convoluted and incoherent - my scrutiny of them, effectively - are no secret.
Is Dive's position so weak to your thinking that it can't endure public scrutiny?
10 Oct 23
@divegeester saidI've never said that it didn't.
Jesus’ flesh, blood and bone first existed in the womb of Mary.
10 Oct 23
@divegeester saidI haven't mentioned born again, that was your late introduction to the conversation.
You’re the one asserting that a born again person can lose their salvation, I’m asking you to explain how all that works, when, how does the person know, can they regain their salvation, what works would they have to do to regain it.
If these questions are to “complicated” for you to answer then I suggest your doctrine is wrong.
10 Oct 23
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I appreciate your position sir, and we can amicably agree to disagree, though i would draw your attention to the point that Dr Cann established common ancestry through the femail line. On this point I would concede that she wasn't claiming to have proven the existence of Eve of garden of Eden fame.
10 Oct 23
@divegeester saidRaj's post "The answer is simple, but you do not want to hear it. They have to stop living sinfully and await the judgment of God. The problem is that your church preaches to people this 'once saved always saved' nonsense doctrine, which is not in the bible and then ask these questions when faced with clear statements from Paul and other Apostles that there is no inheritance in the Kingdom of God if the born-again Christian reverts to a sinful lifestyle."
I’m interested in what medulla thinks which is why I’m asking him. I’m already aware of what you believe rajk999
Raj is correct. There is no such thing as once saved always saved, that isn't what is the scriptures say. The scripture that I quoted from Matthew 7 makes that clear.