12 Mar 19
@secondson saidBut I’ve not called another Christian such a name. And besides it is YOU who is complaining about, how do you put it, ”diatribes of viscous resentment full of ad hominem attacks and ill disguised contempt.”
Or an asshat? But no, that's not what I was talking about.
Not me.
12 Mar 19
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You've lost it divegeester. You've exposed yourself as a very disingenuous person indeed. I can't imagine how any of the Christian posters in this forum that have been subjected to your ruses can stomach discussing even as much as the directions to the restroom with you.
@secondson saidIf only you saying that made it true.
@divegeester
You've lost it divegeester. You've exposed yourself as a very disingenuous person indeed. I can't imagine how any of the Christian posters in this forum that have been subjected to your ruses can stomach discussing even as much as the directions to the restroom with you.
13 Mar 19
@fmf saidA compass is designed to do one thing, point. You can have a unique compass, but if it isn't doing what it is supposed to so do, its broke and ruined, not worth having for the job it was designed for. People can refuse to do what they know is right what their compass tells them, and they can do what it is right. This shows it is our actions that matter, we can go against what we know is true.
Everybody has a unique moral compass. If you feel someone's moral compass is "broken", then that is the subjective analysis that your own moral compass has enabled you to make.
13 Mar 19
@kellyjay saidYou are taking the compass analogy too far. I “compass” in this refers not (only) to the mechanical little arrow balanced precariously on its pin, the metaphor includes the notion of everyone having with it their own magnetic north, the collective force which provides an internal directional impetus in asses,want, judgment and decision making.
A compass is designed to do one thing, point. You can have a unique compass, but if it isn't doing what it is supposed to so do, its broke and ruined, not worth having for the job it was designed for. People can refuse to do what they know is right what their compass tells them, and they can do what it is right. This shows it is our actions that matter, we can go against what we know is true.
It’s a metaphor, and you’re generally not good with metaphors so I thought I’d help you.
@kellyjay saidI don't think you have much of an of idea how morality actually works. If your moral compass lines you up with certain things external to you that you believe are right, strongly so, then jolly good for you. You can even call them "true north" if you want. Go for it.
A compass is designed to do one thing, point. You can have a unique compass, but if it isn't doing what it is supposed to so do, its broke and ruined, not worth having for the job it was designed for. People can refuse to do what they know is right what their compass tells them, and they can do what it is right. This shows it is our actions that matter, we can go against what we know is true.
13 Mar 19
@fmf saidYou have two choices one is there is such a thing as truth/morals independent of individuals or not. If there is then all who doesn’t agree with it are in error, if everyone gets to make up their own no one is right or wrong by any standard except their own which can change as they will.
I don't think you have much of an of idea how morality actually works. If your moral compass lines you up with certain things external to you that you believe are right, strongly so, then jolly good for you. You can even call them "true north" if you want. Go for it.
13 Mar 19
@kellyjay saidYes. There are laws and norms and moral codes and rules with moral content etc. that are external to individuals, yes. Certainly, that's true. Indeed, it's objectively true to say such laws and rules exist.
You have two choices one is there is such a thing as truth/morals independent of individuals or not.
The moral "truth" enshrined in the dictates of such external codes, however, is a matter for individuals and their subjective internal compasses.
13 Mar 19
@fmf saidThis is nonsense. Either everyone matters or no one does. Of course, it's difficult to claim "no one matters" as a truth if no truth exists. This is why all unbelief comes from lazy thinking and the lazy thinking is a direct result of the morally evil choice of not caring about others enough.
Yes. There are laws and norms and moral codes and rules with moral content etc. that are external to individuals, yes. Certainly, that's true. Indeed, it's objectively true to say such laws and rules exist.
The moral "truth" enshrined in the dictates of such external codes, however, is a matter for individuals and their subjective internal compasses.
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@darfius saidAs an atheist, I care about humanity enough to want all this religious nonsense resigned to history, as it is holding us back as a species. Laziness resides in the 'God did it' approach rather than seeking the genuine answers.
This is nonsense. Either everyone matters or no one does. Of course, it's difficult to claim "no one matters" as a truth if no truth exists. This is why all unbelief comes from lazy thinking and the lazy thinking is a direct result of the morally evil choice of not caring about others enough.
13 Mar 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidBecause we are created beings, we will never be able to fully understand how God created us, but I agree that we should strive to discover as much truth as we can on the matter. Why would you being an atheist involve you caring about humanity, or did you mean that you happen to be an atheist and also happen to care about humanity? How is belief in the deity of Jesus Christ holding back humanity?
As an atheist, I care about humanity enough to want all this religious nonsense resigned to history, as it is holding us back as a species. Laziness resides in the 'God did it' approach rather than seeking the genuine answers.