What is it to be human?

@kellyjay said
You actually changed my mind just not towards your argument. I believe all of our compasses point in the same direction, our refusal to follow them there is on us, and we are so broken in this, many don’t have a clue what truth/morals are, let alone if they are even real or not.

Of course everyone's moral compass doesn't point in the same direction.

@secondson said
Of course kelly!

But that doesn't stop them from accusing Christians that believe what the Bible says of being misanthropic worshippers of a torturer god.

Shows how little they know and understand about the God of the Bible doesn't it?

Does not matter what they accuse us of only matters how we conduct ourselves. The thing about two people accusing each other of calling each other names, they both say it is wrong while they admit they did it, and are doing it. It is better to admit faults than justify one’s own bad behavior by suggesting the other is more wrong than they are!

@kellyjay said
I think one could gather from this, and a couple of other threads, that one of the things to be human is our ability to feel hostility toward one another.

Perhaps you should watch the news a little more.

@secondson said
Like I said. It's no wonder why none of your friends are Christians and you have no church family. You're just too critical and judgmental. Obviously this forum is the only place where you feel comfortable claiming to be a Christian. You have a lot of allies here propping you up in your diatribes against the Christians posting in this forum.

No, we were discussing why you felt you had to lamely lie about saying that you blamed me for your posting abuse.

But I can see what you tried to do there.

@secondson said
But don't expect a good word from divegeester. After all, as far as he's concerned, we're all just a bunch of misanthropic American blowhards

No that’s just you old chap, don’t drag poor KellyJay into your reputation.

@kellyjay said
Believing what Jesus said about Hell does not mean I want to see anyone end up there.

And I have never suggested you do KellyJay.

@secondson said
Yes, and you've lumped us all together stereotypically as misanthropic worshippers of a torturer god.

No, I haven’t. You’re just reaching for something to lash out about and trying draw KellyJay (who lacks your cunning) into it.

@secondson said
It's obviously because of your ego and pride. You're a self-justified man who will one day get a slap on the back from God for all the good things you've done. And of course you'll get to gloat over us in our shame.

I am a Christian who is justified by Christ exactly the same as you. But I’m also very different from you in lots of other important ways.

@kellyjay said
You actually changed my mind just not towards your argument. I believe all of our compasses point in the same direction, our refusal to follow them there is on us, and we are so broken in this, many don’t have a clue what truth/morals are, let alone if they are even real or not.

SecondSon believes it is morally wrong for me to argue and debate other Christians over their beliefs, even though I am fundamentally opposed to those beliefs. You’ve seen the awful things he calls me, right. On the other hand I think it is my right and in some examples my moral duty to do so. Would you agree then that SecondSon and I do not share the same moral compass on this matter despite us both being Christians?

Once you can see and accept this you may find it easier to disagree with me without feeling you have to ignore me in order to prevent yourself slipping into the online abuse SecondSon dishes out.

@divegeester said
No, we were discussing why you felt you had to lamely lie about saying that you blamed me for your posting abuse.

But I can see what you tried to do there.

So now you're going to be ridiculous. Accusing me of blaming you for what I post is obtuse, and a deflection from the fact that it is you that posts offensive language aimed at degrading Christians posting in this forum. It's a fact and you know it.

You simply lack the integrity to own up to it.

@divegeester said
SecondSon believes it is morally wrong for me to argue and debate other Christians over their beliefs, even though I am fundamentally opposed to those beliefs. You’ve seen the awful things he calls me, right. On the other hand I think it is my right and in some examples my moral duty to do so. Would you agree then that SecondSon and I do not share the same moral compass ...[text shortened]... have to ignore me in order to prevent yourself slipping into the online abuse SecondSon dishes out.

Your perspective is skewed. It isn't immoral to debate with others about the beliefs they hold that are contrary to yours.

And now you're trying to convince kelly that I think it's morally wrong for you to do that. What a deception!

What's morally wrong, and what I keep throwing back in your hypocritical face, is the way you do it. Your posts directed at Christians are diatribes of viscous resentment full of ad hominem attacks and ill disguised contempt.

Too bad for you that most of the Christians of late aren't paying much attention to you. All you have left to hurl your vindictive disdain at is me. Enjoy.

@secondson said
Accusing me of blaming you for what I post is obtuse, and a deflection from the fact that it is you that posts offensive language aimed at degrading Christians posting in this forum. It's a fact and you know it.

You simply lack the integrity to own up to it.

Here’s what you said, you even acknowledged my post and then backed away when I called you on not being accountable for your own posting. Quite funny to read.

@secondson said:
I'm quite certain that you initiated my retorts by your vindictive and over critical, insulting, degrading and vitriolic inferences leveled against Christians posting in this forum

@secondson said
It isn't immoral to debate with others about the beliefs they hold that are contrary to yours.

If you think that I am free to post, free to express my opinions, challenge other posters, make argument, contend for truth, highlight debating error or intellectual dishonesty ... and you have no moral or spiritual objection, then what exactly is your problem?

@secondson said
What's morally wrong, and what I keep throwing back in your hypocritical face, is the way you do it. Your posts directed at Christians are diatribes of viscous resentment full of ad hominem attacks and ill disguised contempt.

Would this be as bad as calling another Christian an “a-hole”...Is that the type of thing you are talking about?

@divegeester said
Would this be as bad as calling another Christian an “a-hole”...Is that the type of thing you are talking about?

Or an asshat? But no, that's not what I was talking about.