What is the point of eternal suffering?

@philokalia said
Sure, would you like me to bring up the post that I did in regards to St. Dionysus?

You've already heard my take on it, back then, and now on this thread as well. Maybe someone who wants to talk to you about will come along.

@philokalia said
It is order for people to be punished for their shortcomings, isn't it?

What punishment though?

@philokalia said
It's also certainly true that we are talking about a place that is inhabited by demons as well.

We?

I'm not.

Did you think I was?

@fmf said
That's a bit rich coming from you. You enjoyed - and touted as the forum-posting-at-its-best - the thousands of obscene paedophilia-themed posts and sexual slurs against spouses of posters in 2018 - by someone trying to be funny - when it suited your unprincipled partisan purposes.

So this post is in response to the one that you allege that I deleted. Judging by the content of your post here, it may have been rather off-topic.

I have no memory of deleting any post it must have been deleted by the moderation staff.

I don't think it was perhaps relevant to what we are saying here.

But if you think there's some content there that's worth discussing, well, it looks like you already quote didn't said what you wanted to say about it. If there's something you'd like me to confront about it just let me know.

Heck, you can let me know if you think you know what I had said there. Because, right now, I really don't know what the content was.

@fmf said
We?

I'm not.

Did you think I was?

Of course you don't believe it even exist. But it's certainly true that you would acknowledge that hell is a place inhabited by demons according to the internal logic of Christianity, correct?

@fmf said
What punishment though?

hell is a punishment.

@philokalia said
No idea why my post was deleted but the original by dying was not.

I don't believe you.

@philokalia said
hell is a punishment.

How does that "keep order"?

@fmf said
I don't believe you.

All right, well, you did see the post previously. Do you think there was some sort of Juicy content in it that you would miss that you would like to talk about now?

Feel free to bring it up.

I'm not surprised that you wouldn't believe me and that you'd give me a hard time over this.

@philokalia said
But it's certainly true that you would acknowledge that hell is a place inhabited by demons according to the internal logic of Christianity, correct?

That you believe "hell is a place inhabited by demons" is neither here nor there if you are talking to an atheist about the moral justification for the torturer god ideology. I suggest you talk to Christians about how "Hell" is "a place inhabited by demons".

@philokalia said
All right, well, you did see the post previously. Do you think there was some sort of Juicy content in it that you would miss that you would like to talk about now?

Feel free to bring it up.

I'm not surprised that you wouldn't believe me and that you'd give me a hard time over this.

It elicited this response from me: 'That's a bit rich coming from you. You enjoyed - and touted as the forum-posting-at-its-best - the thousands of obscene paedophilia-themed posts and sexual slurs against spouses of posters in 2018 - by someone trying to be funny - when it suited your unprincipled partisan purposes.'

@philokalia said
It's actually a matter of people getting their wishes fulfilled. Those who do not wish to be close to God will not be close to God, they will live in the condition that they have chosen for them self.

Is also certainly true that the word of God has been presented far and wide and that process is still being filled.

We can also bring up the passage from Luke chapter 1 ...[text shortened]... ething that I'm qualified to talk about. Only the Bible itself can talk about those sorts of things.

If this is supposed to be a response to the specific answer I gave to the specific thing you posted, then it is complete waffle. You tried out another one of your dud analogies. I pointed out why. I unpacked it and even alluded to how evil your ideology might be. Do not pass go, do not collect Rp.200, go directly to waffle-spam. Or so it seems.

@philokalia said
I don't want to be sucked too far into speculation about who goes where because it's definitely not something that I'm qualified to talk about. Only the Bible itself can talk about those sorts of things.

Nobody goes 'there'.

@philokalia said
hell is a punishment.

What evidence do you have that this punishment - and therefore the threat of it - is real?

@fmf said
That you believe "hell is a place inhabited by demons" is neither here nor there if you are talking to an atheist about the moral justification for the torturer god ideology. I suggest you talk to Christians about how "Hell" is "a place inhabited by demons".

It's absolutely relevant when we are talking about Christian theology in the abstract!

If you want to talk about the ethics of hell, you have to talk about hell as if it exists as described by the Christians defending its existence, don't you?

Are you literally arguing that you get to turn this discussion into a shell game where I have to cover a thousand different things while you can jump to whatever position is convenient for you in the moment? Please, lol.