What!? Not Talk About the Trinity ?

Originally posted by Rajk999
There are two kinds of people in the world and for you they are-
- Christians
- Everyone else.

However in the Bible the two kinds are -
- Children of God [or those who Jesus will welcome into his Kingdom]
- Children of the Devil {those who will be destroyed]

The difference between these two is explained by John

[i]Little children, let no man de ...[text shortened]... in them and they live righteously. Those who continue with sin do not have God / Christ in them.

So do you think those without God's Spirit can do the works of God?

Originally posted by chaney3
This forum is a very good example of the different beliefs out there. And regarding Jesus....it doesn't bother you at all to have an entirely different concept of Him, compared to Checkbaiter, Sonship and even Robbie??

Not all of you can be correct at the same time. We don't need to include the rest of the world here, because 4 or more versions if Jesus e ...[text shortened]... ek and ye shall find". What I have found is not acceptable. There can only be one correct Jesus.

Why on earth would it "bother" me that 3 people (You mentioned 3) whom I've never met, and likely never will meet, have different opinions to me? Besides, our concept of Christ is not, as you put it, "entirely different", just different.

You say that what you have found is "unacceptable" but what you seem to be seeking is everyone agreeing on one version of the truth. The truth is Jesus Christ not in random squabbles on the Internet.

Here is a "truth" if you want one: there will never ever be a alignment among Christians on the structure of the godhead, it simply isn't clear enough in the entire text.

Originally posted by chaney3
I was referring to Jesus specifically. If 4 people are in a room together, and all 4 see Jesus differently, all with the same bible....no need to look further at that point.
Just my opinion.

Why limit your search because of the disagreement of others? If you want a single voice with now opinion, thought, contention, vision or options, then join the JWs.

Originally posted by chaney3
My search is far more than this forum. Books, pastors, priests and real life discussions, and all of it is NO different than this forum. If you ask 20 people "who is Jesus", you will get varied answers. And He is supoosed to be our savior.

I don't believe I have ever stated that the RHP Spirituality Forum is going to be my "cure all" to my questions, not ...[text shortened]... ef, whether you agree with him or not. I only used him as an example to include the views of JW.

The problem is you are looking at man and not seeking Jesus. We have been down this path of conversation several times and you keep coming back to the same point again and again.

Originally posted by KellyJay
So do you think those without God's Spirit can do the works of God?

Those who do good works have Gods Spirit or the Spirit of Christ within them.

Originally posted by chaney3
If someone can go to the Kingdom of God.....without even believing in God, in your stated opinion, then surely....it would follow that a belief in Jesus would also not matter to you. Why the need for any of it then??

God has already poured out His Spirit upon all of mankind, and He continues to do as and will continue up until the return of Jesus His Son who will take possession of the earth and set up His Kingdom. As a result of this outpouring of Gods Spirit there are good and righteous people all over the world in all nations and in all religions. The idea that Christians have that they only are Gods people is both childish and shortsighted. If someone lives righteously that person already has God in him even though he professes to be an atheist.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Those who do good works have Gods Spirit or the Spirit of Christ within them.

So when Jesus was asked what the two greatest commandments He said that we are
love God with all our hearts, and the second was to love our neighbors. Since you are
pushing this belief that good works alone will trump sin, how is it that anyone can refuse,
reject, or simply fail to acknowledge God can be doing anything other than breaking the
first commandment, and if they are not obeying the first what of the second?

You are suggesting these 'good works' trump everything including the blood of Jesus
Christ with your godless belief of righteousness through 'good' works.

We do know the scripture teaches that God gives His Spirit to those that belong to Him,
and they will do the works God has for them once that is done. So tell me, how can
anyone do the works of God without God in them? Your godless belief system only shows
that you have missed the mark and are trying to earn your salvation, you will be judged
on that merit so get ready. If your good works are not good enough you will be found
wanting.

It is those who do God's works have God's Spirit in them than know that those that do not
do not belong to God will see that their 'good' works will avail them not.

Originally posted by Rajk999
God has already poured out His Spirit upon all of mankind, and He continues to do as and will continue up until the return of Jesus His Son who will take possession of the earth and set up His Kingdom. As a result of this outpouring of Gods Spirit there are good and righteous people all over the world in all nations and in all religions. The idea that Chris ...[text shortened]... lives righteously that person already has God in him even though he professes to be an atheist.

Romans 1:18
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

God's wrath is upon the godlessness and wickedness of the people, there is no scripture
what says godlessness is accepted by God, you have to twist scripture to make it say
what it does not in order to get that. You have shown yourself to be someone who does
indeed insert and twist scripture to make it say things that are not there, as you do with
people's views as you twist them to fit your beliefs. You avoid the truth at all cost least
you see you need Jesus Christ for your righteousness not your own good works.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You have shown yourself to be someone who does indeed insert and twist scripture to make it say things that are not there, as you do with people's views as you twist them to fit your beliefs.

In the course of countless debates here, you have shown yourself to be someone who does exactly the same, surely? At least in the countless debates I've witnessed; I admit I don't know about the ones I haven't read.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Romans 1:18
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

God's wrath is upon the godlessness and wickedness of the people, there is no scripture
what says godlessness is accepted by God, you have to twist scripture to make it say
what it does not in ord ...[text shortened]... at all cost least
you see you need Jesus Christ for your righteousness not your own good works.

'Ungodliness' has nothing to do with a lack of belief in God, neither does the word 'godlessness'. Please try to educate yourself a bit

Your ignorance of the meaning of simple words is your downfall.

Originally posted by KellyJay
So when Jesus was asked what the two greatest commandments He said that we are
love God with all our hearts, and the second was to love our neighbors. Since you are
pushing this belief that good works alone will trump sin, how is it that anyone can refuse,
reject, or simply fail to acknowledge God can be doing anything other than breaking the
first comm ...[text shortened]... at those that do not
do not belong to God will see that their 'good' works will avail them not.

Read this, Print it, Frame it. Put it up in every room you have. Read it over and over until you get it in your little head.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me:
I was sick, and ye visited me:
I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in:
naked, and ye clothed me not:
sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (Matthew 25:31-46 KJV)

Originally posted by chaney3
You have already stated on this forum that people can go to heaven (kingdom of God) without believing in God. So I'm sure you don't care about who Jesus really is, but I do. I want to know.

Did you read any of my posts on the thread "Calling Lord, Lord" ?

We need to contact Jesus.
We need to touch Jesus.

You know in the Gospels He had a crowd of people crowded around Him something like a mob. But one woman touched the hem of His garment and was healed.

The account shows that we can all be crowded around Jesus but there is the need to really touch Him. Calling on the Lord with a fully opened heart, you can experience the Spirit of Christ coming into your heart. And you can have fellowship with Jesus Christ.

Yes, we do squabble about doctrines. I take much responsibility for this. But i also devoted some practical threads on how to touch Jesus by calling on the name of the Lord. I also recommend the thread on Prayreading the Word, a further way to commune with God and fellowship in the Holy Spirit.

Unfortunately, this was public writing and i could not exclude naysaying comments to discourage people from either practice. But for the most part there is some helpful things written there to help you to touch God deep inwardly for fellowship with Christ.

Originally posted by sonship
Unfortunately, this was public writing and i could not exclude naysaying comments to discourage people from either practice.

You really should start a blog, that way you will be able to exclude anyone from disagreeing with you 😉

Originally posted by divegeester
The problem is you are looking at man and not seeking Jesus. We have been down this path of conversation several times and you keep coming back to the same point again and again.

What if I prove to you that your view of Jesus is wrong Dive.

And due to your error, you will never see Heaven.

Originally posted by chaney3
What if I prove to you that your view of Jesus is wrong Dive.

And due to your error, you will never see Heaven.

There is no such proof, but knowing you, you are not unaccustomed to putting your foot in your mouth.