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Originally posted by robbie carrobie"At this, ["before Abraham was, I am"] they picked up stones to stone him" "AT THIS" It's unequivocal.
My goodness, do you never read the scriptures?
The Jews answered him, “Aren’t we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?”
“I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus, “but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. Very truly I tell you, wh ...[text shortened]... he was blaspheming against God, you simply made that up.
http://biblehub.com/niv/john/8.htm
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Originally posted by leunammiThe words of Jesus are heavily steeped in metaphor and abstraction.
So let's think about this...
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 KJV
Jesus is the Word! Unless you don't believe that, then what does it matter? Do you believe it?
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:58 KJV
If 'I Am' is as you have stated, ...[text shortened]...
Makes sense to me, maybe I am missing something here but, seems pretty starightforward to me.
Perhaps the best way to explain where Jesus is coming from in the passage in question from John 8 is through John 6 where Jesus uses the metaphor of eating His flesh and drinking His blood. In fact, this metaphor is the keystone for understanding much of what Jesus taught while He walked the Earth.
If you're willing to actually engage in a discussion about this, I'm willing. It might be lengthy and you might need to bring some patience to this discussion. If you're interested, start another thread. Looks like there will be the usual DG and RC flotsam here.
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Originally posted by divegeesterThere was an entire narrative before that, are you simply going to ignore it? Do you think the event happened in a vacuum, do you? unequivocal, you are now making even more stuff up! Man what a story teller!
"[b]At this, ["before Abraham was, I am"] they picked up stones to stone him" "AT THIS" It's unequivocal.[/b]
25 Dec 16
I would like some discussion on these verses.
Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. - Philippians 2:5.6
You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am - John 14:28
Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17
But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God. - 1 Corinthians 11:3
But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.- 1 Corinthians 15:28
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie"At THIS point, Robbie, it says "at this point"...as in at this point in the "entire narrative"... as you put it.
There was an entire narrative before that, are you simply going to ignore it? Do you think the event happened in a vacuum, do you? unequivocal, you are now making even more stuff up! Man what a story teller!
I.e. Not at any point in the "entire narrative" before.
It unequivocal, plain as day.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieIn him (Jesus) dwelt the FULLNESS of the godhead in bodily form.
I would like some discussion on these verses.
Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. - Philippians 2:5.6
You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, ...[text shortened]... ne who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.- 1 Corinthians 15:28
Colossians 2:9
25 Dec 16
Originally posted by divegeesterA little lower down it says :
In him (Jesus) dwelt the [b]FULLNESS of the godhead in bodily form.
Colossians 2:9[/b]
Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
So for you that should read :
Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ/God, seek those things which are above, where Christ/God sitteth on the right hand of God/Christ.
😀
Whatever works for you.
25 Dec 16
Originally posted by divegeesterI'm the story teller and my stories must be told
"At THIS point, Robbie, it says "at this point"...as in at this point in the "entire narrative"... as you put it.
I.e. Not at any point in the "entire narrative" before.
It unequivocal, plain as day.
In Russiia I am Ivan and in England I am divegeester!
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Originally posted by Rajk999Conflating scriptures which reference temporal and eternal circumstance is not smart.
A little lower down it says :
Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
So for you that should read :
Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ/God, seek those things which are above, where Christ/God sitteth on the right hand of God/Christ.
😀
Whatever works for you.
25 Dec 16
Originally posted by Rajk999Billions actually, all of them duped and scammed. The most successful scam in human history.
I think I remember you saying that a Christian is one who accepts Christ as his personal saviour. Now as usual you are full of pronouncements [from the church obviously], which do not appear in the Bible.
The Bible has absolutely nothing, not even remotely, about Jesus being a personal saviour. That is complete hogwash designed to fool the gullible Christians looking for an easy salvation .. and there are millions of them.