Spirituality
20 May 18
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeIs there a rule that says you can't respond to a post if the poster is too childish to spit out their dummy and reply? Is it written somewhere in the terms and conditions?
Thread update:
Becker and Romans weird obsession with FMF continues, replying to all of his posts despite him ignoring them completely. (This follows the embarrassing occurrence yesterday of resorting to answering posts by Dive made by him several weeks ago). With their blatant trolling now held under a microscope, how will they ever again be able to accuse other site members of trolling?
Btw, was FMF trolling Kelly when he would respond to his posts even after Kelly stopped talking to him?
Tiger, kiddo and co should not be playing with microscopes when Miss A is out of the class.😞
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI’m not trolling FMF as you falsely claim. I’m replying to FMF’s posts (the ones I’m interested in) with substance, something you now tend to avoid after all of your slip-on-a-banana peel pratfalls on theological issues.
Thread update:
Becker and Romans weird obsession with FMF continues, replying to all of his posts despite him ignoring them completely. (This follows the embarrassing occurrence yesterday of resorting to answering posts by Dive made by him several weeks ago). With their blatant trolling now held under a microscope, how will they ever again be able to accuse other site members of trolling?
And my responses to dive’s posts from several weeks ago (as I mentioned already) were to highlight dive’s claims of being a principled poster and trolling victim were rubbish.
May I suggest you come up with a new profession and degree for yourself? The ones you’ve been claiming to possess are really no longer believable given the paucity of your knowledge of theological issues and your nutty behavior in here.
Edit: Sad!
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerGhost is trying to troll like a young un again since his foray into discussing substance was essentially a series of pratfalls. Who can forget the “talking snake” in Genesis, the books of the Bible being written “decades apart,” God being an “outside agent” in a Christian’s life, the unfamiliarity with divine law, the claim Job was only God proving something to Satan, the elephant in a dark room, and on and on.
Is there a rule that says you can't respond to a post if the poster is too childish to spit out their dummy and reply? Is it written somewhere in the terms and conditions?
Btw, was FMF trolling Kelly when he would respond to his posts even after Kelly stopped talking to him?
Tiger, kiddo and co should not be playing with microscopes when Miss A is out of the class.😞
The banana peels went flying whenever Ghost sauntered into a substantive discussion.
Originally posted by @fmfA confession is a confession, a statement of belief. Repentance is another matter.
This is what he said:
[b]Confess here folks... My confession is that despite my faults, my lack of faith, my sin, my unbelief and my selfish perspective...I can sincerely confess that Jesus Christ is my Lord and saviour. I stand by this statement not in my own strength but through him who upholds me. Jesus is Lord.
There is no repentance. No resolutio ...[text shortened]... twined with a kind of passivity.
Is that good enough to qualify as "good"? I don't think so.[/b]
I never said divegeester's "confession" was "good", and I did say I thought it more of a "profession" than a confession, but attaching to a confession more than the idea of it simply being a statement of belief is unnecessarily burdensome.
Nevertheless, divegeester's "profession" of belief, in and of itself, didn't need to be criticized by nit picking self righteous pharisaical legalistic pound-everybody-over-the-head with a Bible holier than thou troll that not only doesn't get the exegesis of the verses correct, but doesn't have the slightest clue concerning their application.
Condemnation drives people away from God, which is what those under the law do.
Curiously though is that Rajk has only one confederate that shares the same spirit of condemnation in this forum.
But it goes even deeper that that. Rajk went ballistic with his "GOOD CONFESSION" diatribe when that phrase occurs only once in scripture, and it was about Jesus' own confession before Pontius Pilate.
Only Jesus can make a "good confession" since He's the only one that is good.
Originally posted by @secondsonI thought divegeester's so-called "good" confession was wishy-washy, his candour and modesty notwithstanding.
A confession is a confession, a statement of belief. Repentance is another matter.
I never said divegeester's "confession" was "good", and I did say I thought it more of a "profession" than a confession, but attaching to a confession more than the idea of it simply being a statement of belief is unnecessarily burdensome.
Nevertheless, divegeester' ...[text shortened]... ontius Pilate.
Only Jesus can make a "good confession" since He's the only one that is good.
23 May 18
Originally posted by @fmfI could have written your posts (from you) myself as we have known each other many years and I'm very aware of how we disagree fundamentally on theism, the nature of contemporary Christianity and it's outworking in people's lives. So I get how you feel about post, my "confession", which is more of a declaration and not in anyway "good".
[b]It's a damn good confession and how dare you judge dive for it.
I applauded divegeester for his humility and his candour etc.
But a "confession" without repentance and without resolution, and, instead, one containing a mere reiteration of belief seems wishy-washy and is surely not what walk-the-walk Christians think the supposed human sacrifice of ...[text shortened]... ive up to? Anything to aspire to? Any change for the better that your beliefs drive you towards?[/b]
I disagree that it is "wishy-washy" and I would say a better criticism of it would be "hollow" although this does sound very harsh. By hollow I mean real but lacking something in terms of a platform for playing out the faith I have in obedience. I do feel my declaration is with scriptural precedent and it was not meant to be a complete statement of active Christian service, repentance let alone a "free pass".
What is interesting is the apparent support I seem to be getting here on this all of a sudden, when yesterday I was considered a fake Christian by some and fit for the pit by others.
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Originally posted by @divegeester<<What is interesting is the apparent support I seem to be getting here on this all of a sudden, when yesterday I was considered a fake Christian by some and fit for the pit by others.>>
I could have written your posts (from you) myself as we have known each other many years and I'm very aware of how we disagree fundamentally on theism, the nature of contemporary Christianity and it's outworking in people's lives. So I get how you feel about post, my "confession", which is more of a declaration and not in anyway "good".
I disagree th ...[text shortened]... sudden, when yesterday I was considered a fake Christian by some and fit for the pit by others.
I guess people are playing the ball and not the player.
23 May 18
Originally posted by @fmfI can understand your point of view, but the OP needn't have been so heavy as to convey a strict adherence to orthodoxy to get the basic idea across.
I thought divegeester's so-called "good" confession was wishy-washy, his candour and modesty notwithstanding.
After all no one asked divegeester to give a comprehensive description of his personal testimony.
23 May 18
Dr. RC Sproul (God rest his soul) often admitted during his lectures that he was a sinner and his faith was weak. He never said, 'but I promise to do better." He was full aware of his/our corrupted state. His admissions never made me feel critical of him. They made me feel love and admiration for him.
23 May 18
Originally posted by @secondsonThe word 'confession' has several meanings, including
[b]"My confession is that...Jesus Christ is my Lord and saviour."
That's what divegeester said. You're saying it's not a "GOOD CONFESSION" because you've decided that a good confession is contained in and confined to just a few verses by Paul.
Romans 10:9,10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine he ...[text shortened]... Didn't know that did you?
Rajk, I'm sorry, but you just don't know what you're talking about.[/b]
- praise or worship\
- acknowledgement or
- confessing to wrongdoing
Look at the Greek words for confess or confession and you will see several Greek root words with different meanings.
In Romans the ;passage about confessing with your mouth is a simple acknowledgment. It is accepting Jesus Christ... it is a confession. A good confession goes further than that and it includes being free of wrongdoing and sin as is the case here:
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: (1 Timothy 6:12-14 KJV)
A good confession of being freed of wrongoing and a confession of faith are two different things
23 May 18
Originally posted by @secondsonPaul said that the Christian must work for a good confession by keeping the commandments
A confession is a confession, a statement of belief. Repentance is another matter.
I never said divegeester's "confession" was "good", and I did say I thought it more of a "profession" than a confession, but attaching to a confession more than the idea of it simply being a statement of belief is unnecessarily burdensome.
Nevertheless, divegeester' ...[text shortened]... ontius Pilate.
Only Jesus can make a "good confession" since He's the only one that is good.
23 May 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyJesus and the Aposltes said no such thing.
Dr. RC Sproul (God rest his soul) often admitted during his lectures that he was a sinner and his faith was weak. He never said, 'but I promise to do better." He was full aware of his/our corrupted state. His admissions never made me feel critical of him. They made me feel love and admiration for him.
Do you rather follow Sprout?
You are describing the Christian with dead faith.
Accepting that one is weak and is a sinner and doing so throughout ones life means that there is no 'doing better' going on as Paul said must be the case.
23 May 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Um. I never said Jesus and the apostles said anything.
Jesus and the Aposltes said no such thing.
Do you rather follow Sprout?
You are describing the Christian with dead faith.
Accepting that one is weak and is a sinner and doing so throughout ones life means that there is no 'doing better' going on as Paul said must be the case.
And no, I don't follow "Sprout," be that the brussel, the alfalfa, or any other variety.
What the heck are you talking about?
23 May 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyRajk thinks one must stop sinning or you're a goat.
Um. I never said Jesus and the apostles said anything.
And no, I don't follow "Sprout," be that the brussel, the alfalfa, or any other variety.
What the heck are you talking about?
So does ThinkOfOne.
But neither of them will say whether or not they have stopped sinning, even when asked.
Don't try to reference Romans 7 or Galatians 5 because he will then say it's "church doctrine" and not discuss the content and meaning of the relevant verses.
23 May 18
Originally posted by @rajk999And there is the Jesus of the Bible, which abundantly and clearly teaches that Jesus is God in the flesh, and there is the Jesus which you say isn't God.
[b] A good confession of being freed of wrongoing and a confession of faith are two different things[/b]
And there is the gospel that Paul preached, and there is the gospel which isn't that you preach.
Funny how that works isn't it?