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23 May 18
Voting on whether I should stop writing about “tiger,” the adorable third-grade scamp at Shetland Primary who enjoys chugging pints of ale, snorkeling in vats of ale, eating PB&J sandwiches with the crusts cut off and writing love notes to Miss Alawat, his homeroom teacher, will conclude at 12:01 a.m. Friday, May 25, East Coast USA time.
The tally thus far:
Pro tiger - 3 votes.
Anti tiger - 0 votes.
I will abide by the results.
Those ashamed to admit their love for tiger and his adorable antics may vote by pm. Tiger’s detractors may vote by pm also.
Thank you for your attention to this important matter.
Will you stand with tiger?
Originally posted by @fmfIt's a damn good confession and how dare you judge dive for it. A "good" confession doesn't have to contain some hollow promise to do better. A confession, by definition, makes no such promise. Dive put himself out there and made himself vulnerable with pure, unmitigated honesty. It's a genuine confession. I've heard none better.
This is what [dive] said:
Confess here folks... My confession is that despite my faults, my lack of faith, my sin, my unbelief and my selfish perspective...I can sincerely confess that Jesus Christ is my Lord and saviour. I stand by this statement not in my own strength but through him who upholds me. Jesus is Lord.
There is no repentance. . ...[text shortened]... ...... No resolution to be better. Is that good enough to qualify as "good"? I don't think so.
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyIt's a damn good confession and how dare you judge dive for it.
It's a damn good confession and how dare you judge dive for it. A "good" confession doesn't have to contain some hollow promise to do better. A confession, by definition, makes no such promise. Dive put himself out there and made himself vulnerable with pure, unmitigated honesty. It's a genuine confession. I've heard none better.
I applauded divegeester for his humility and his candour etc.
But a "confession" without repentance and without resolution, and, instead, one containing a mere reiteration of belief seems wishy-washy and is surely not what walk-the-walk Christians think the supposed human sacrifice of God's own son warrants from his followers.
I don't think how "genuine" his humility and his candour matters much if the "confession" sounds like he's giving himself a free pass whilst playing the Faith In Jesus Card.
Don't Christians have anything they feel they have to live up to? Anything to aspire to? Any change for the better that your beliefs drive you towards?
Originally posted by @fmfAre you, or am I, using the wrong definition of confession?
I applauded divegeester for his humility and his candour etc.
But a "confession" without repentance and without resolution, and, instead, one containing a mere reiteration of belief seems wishy-washy....
A confession is a formal statement admitting one's guilt. A religious confession of faith, i.e. the Westminster Confession.. is something else entirely.
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Originally posted by @fmfDon't Christians have anything they feel they have to live up to? Anything to aspire to? Any change for the better that your beliefs drive you towards?
[b]It's a damn good confession and how dare you judge dive for it.
I applauded divegeester for his humility and his candour etc.
But a "confession" without repentance and without resolution, and, instead, one containing a mere reiteration of belief seems wishy-washy and is surely not what walk-the-walk Christians think the supposed human sacrifice of ...[text shortened]... ive up to? Anything to aspire to? Any change for the better that your beliefs drive you towards?[/b]
All I can say is wow. I am dumb founded by the ignorance of this question. Who do you think Christians try to emulate if not Jesus? Do you think there is a better example of how we aught to live than the example set by Jesus?
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Originally posted by @fmf<<and is surely not what walk-the-walk Christians think the supposed human sacrifice of God's own son>>
[b]It's a damn good confession and how dare you judge dive for it.
I applauded divegeester for his humility and his candour etc.
But a "confession" without repentance and without resolution, and, instead, one containing a mere reiteration of belief seems wishy-washy and is surely not what walk-the-walk Christians think the supposed human sacrifice of ...[text shortened]... ive up to? Anything to aspire to? Any change for the better that your beliefs drive you towards?[/b]
“human sacrifice of God’s own son?”
Come on, Kiddo. Not only is that doctrinally incorrect, it makes no logical sense either.
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Originally posted by @fmf<<Any change for the better that your beliefs drive you towards?>>
[b]It's a damn good confession and how dare you judge dive for it.
I applauded divegeester for his humility and his candour etc.
But a "confession" without repentance and without resolution, and, instead, one containing a mere reiteration of belief seems wishy-washy and is surely not what walk-the-walk Christians think the supposed human sacrifice of ...[text shortened]... ive up to? Anything to aspire to? Any change for the better that your beliefs drive you towards?[/b]
Our beliefs don’t drive us toward change for the better. God’s Holy Spirit does that and our responsibility is to strengthen the Holy Spirit’s influence in our lives through regular reading of the Bible and prayer. We cannot live in the Spirit, instead of in the flesh, if we do not pay attention to matters of the spirit.
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Originally posted by @fmfThis public criticism of dive is very interesting since the two of you are usually peas in a pod. What prompted this? Is dive not being enough of an atheist lickspittle lately?
[b]It's a damn good confession and how dare you judge dive for it.
I applauded divegeester for his humility and his candour etc.
But a "confession" without repentance and without resolution, and, instead, one containing a mere reiteration of belief seems wishy-washy and is surely not what walk-the-walk Christians think the supposed human sacrifice of ...[text shortened]... ive up to? Anything to aspire to? Any change for the better that your beliefs drive you towards?[/b]
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Originally posted by @divegeesterWhy is Kiddo attacking you? Do you feel Kiddo’s criticisms of your confession are warranted?
I am being repeatedly and persistently trolled by Romans1009 who is accusing me of being ashamed of Jesus Christ. Other than calling someone a Son of Satan this is probably one of the worst insults one Christian will say to another.
If you think I am ashamed of Christ please say so, if not then who will stand with me and refute this person's claims a ...[text shortened]... ent with Romans1009, I am not asking for ambivalence.
Who will stand with me one this matter?
Why was Kiddo so lukewarm in response to your OP?
What’s going on behind the scenes at THE DIVE LOUNGE? Is Heartpence on your case too?
Tell the two of them to buzz off, tiger. You, me and Becker can be best buds.
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyA "good" confession would embrace the qualities and intent that I have described. Confessing "sins" ~ and nothing else ~ to a supposedly all-seeing all-knowing "God" is overrated pat-yourselves-on-the-back think-the-think navel-gazing, to my way of thinking.
Are you, or am I, using the wrong definition of confession?
A confession is a formal statement admitting one's guilt. A religious confession of faith, i.e. the Westminster Confession.. is something else entirely.
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Originally posted by @fmfConfessing sins goes hand in hand with humility and obedience, Kiddo.
A "good" confession would embrace the qualities and intent that I have described. Confessing "sins" ~ and nothing else ~ to a supposedly all-seeing all-knowing "God" is overrated pat-yourselves-on-the-back think-the-think navel-gazing, to my way of thinking.
Here is the model prayer given by Jesus Christ in the Gospel of Matthew:
“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.”
(Matthew 6:9-13)
Where in Jesus’ model prayer are your recommendations?
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Originally posted by @fmfSo when you were a Christian and you confessed your sin (assuming of course that you confessed your sins during the decades that you were a Christian) was there no remorse or repentance involved and a striving to change? (Which by the way is the working of the Holy Spirit)
A "good" confession would embrace the qualities and intent that I have described. Confessing "sins" ~ and nothing else ~ to a supposedly all-seeing all-knowing "God" is overrated pat-yourselves-on-the-back think-the-think navel-gazing, to my way of thinking.
Originally posted by @fmfI think you do not understand that the act of confession is likewise the act of contrition, and it is also a method of asking for intercession of the community for the betterment of yourself through offerings of prayer and, for you pragmatic types, advice.
A "good" confession would embrace the qualities and intent that I have described. Confessing "sins" ~ and nothing else ~ to a supposedly all-seeing all-knowing "God" is overrated pat-yourselves-on-the-back think-the-think navel-gazing, to my way of thinking.
You strike me as a guy who normally seeks to understand the complete & full picture of things (compliment).
But now you are suddenly acting obtuse.
Anyone who cares to be honest would suggest that the practice of confession was not unlike offering therapy when it was done well, and even giving an opportunity to voice problems and desires for change aloud and establish in the heart of the confessor that they ought to make progress at worst.
But you're like
"Oh no, surely, this is all worthless."
That is dishonest.
Dishonesty to serve your tiny argument that doesn't have to even be made, heed you.
You're probably even being dishoenst to yourself -- and what is being dishonest to yoruself? Especially when you are above the age of 30?
Sad.
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Originally posted by @philokaliaI seem to have upset you. Thank you for your response anyway.
I think you do not understand that the act of confession is likewise the act of contrition, and it is also a method of asking for intercession of the community for the betterment of yourself through offerings of prayer and, for you pragmatic types, advice.
You strike me as a guy who normally seeks to understand the complete & full picture of th ...[text shortened]... -- and what is being dishonest to yoruself? Especially when you are above the age of 30?
Sad.
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Thread update:
Becker and Romans weird obsession with FMF continues, replying to all of his posts despite him ignoring them completely. (This follows the embarrassing occurrence yesterday of resorting to answering posts by Dive made by him several weeks ago). With their blatant trolling now held under a microscope, how will they ever again be able to accuse other site members of trolling?