27 Sep 09
Originally posted by ZahlanziYea, that is as good as it gets I agree, you got nothing.
there was no matter before the big bang that is just it. furthermore if one is correct and big bang is the origin of space time you can never find out "where" that matter came from, it would be like trying to film the inside of a black hole. i could ask you where did the matter come from when god said "let there be light"? but you wouldn't be able to answer ...[text shortened]... thing supporting the genesis is genesis. such circular reasoning is anything but science.
Kelly
27 Sep 09
Originally posted by KellyJayi don't think you understand much about the big bang theory. not to mention that the "how" is equal among god creating and big bang creating. in neither theory you can say where it all came from.
Yea, that is as good as it gets I agree, you got nothing.
Kelly
27 Sep 09
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this was supposed as an edit to an above post:
i don't think you understand much about the big bang theory. not to mention that the "how" is equal among god creating and big bang creating. in neither theory you can say where it all came from. both involves "something" being created out of "nothing"
28 Sep 09
Originally posted by FabianFnasyes, but if someone explains it to him patiently enough he might come to the conclusion he cannot argue on an intelectual level, give up, proclaim that he is afraid to question the bible(because of the hell thingy) and end the discussion.
KJ doesn't understand much of the BigBang theory.
It's meaningless to discuss that with him.
He has proved his ignorance many times.
not constantly try to dismiss evolution on the grounds he doesn't understand it while trying to replace it with creationism, which is only present in the bible and nowhere else.
28 Sep 09
Originally posted by ZahlanziThe Big Bang does not touch where everything came from, it isn't
i don't think you understand much about the big bang theory. not to mention that the "how" is equal among god creating and big bang creating. in neither theory you can say where it all came from.
even part of the theory, that theory has everything already in place
and the events of the Big Bang occur. Creation has God eternal
before all things and He creates, so one does not have anything to
do with the other. The Big Bang again does not speak to where all
things came from, it does not go there.
Kelly
28 Sep 09
Originally posted by ZahlanziPeople have tried, none has succeded. He is unteachable. He's stuck within his tiny box.
yes, but if someone explains it to him patiently enough he might come to the conclusion he cannot argue on an intelectual level, give up, proclaim that he is afraid to question the bible(because of the hell thingy) and end the discussion.
not constantly try to dismiss evolution on the grounds he doesn't understand it while trying to replace it with creationism, which is only present in the bible and nowhere else.
What his preacher says he thinks it's abolutely true.
28 Sep 09
Originally posted by KellyJayneither does creation. god simply created, nobody knows how. supposedly he simply "did" which is unacceptable to the scientists. for you it is acceptable to say "god did it i don't need to know why or how" for scientists it is not. the purpose of science is to advance knowledge and sometimes even benefit from it. there is no knowledge to be increased if you simply say to everything "god did it".
The Big Bang does not touch where everything came from, it isn't
even part of the theory, that theory has everything already in place
and the events of the Big Bang occur. Creation has God eternal
before all things and He creates, so one does not have anything to
do with the other. The Big Bang again does not speak to where all
things came from, it does not go there.
Kelly
nobody says that the big bang theory disproves god. it simply contradicts genesis. god could have very well triggered the big bang. that is why "god did it" is only to be used as an act of faith, and as the last resort. evolution did happen but nobody says god doesn't exist because some stupid story in the bible about adam and eve and incest isn't real. got could still have triggered evolution. or not. maybe he just imagined all the ingredients, put them in the oven and started the universe with a bang(the big). the thing about evolution is that it doesn't need god. that is it. he could be real, or not, that is where faith comes in.
28 Sep 09
Originally posted by FabianFnasgiven an infinite amount of time, anything can change. protons will disintegrate, the universe might crunch or end up as an uniform radiation soup and kelly will start to think outside the confines of his bible.
People have tried, none has succeded. He is unteachable. He's stuck within his tiny box.
What his preacher says he thinks it's abolutely true.
28 Sep 09
Originally posted by ZahlanziBut it will take the time of an the Universe entire life span...
given an infinite amount of time, anything can change. protons will disintegrate, the universe might crunch or end up as an uniform radiation soup and kelly will start to think outside the confines of his bible.
But JK is amusing, I learn a lot of the retorics of a fundamentalist creationist fanatic. They are applied by neonazists, islamists, racists, and other margin groups as well. But here you have a living and kicking speciem of their kind. Well worth studying.
28 Sep 09
Originally posted by FabianFnasthere are worse doods than him. the carrobie specimen comes to mind. the josephw is also a candidate.
But it will take the time of an the Universe entire life span...
But JK is amusing, I learn a lot of the retorics of a fundamentalist creationist fanatic. They are applied by neonazists, islamists, racists, and other margin groups as well. But here you have a living and kicking speciem of their kind. Well worth studying.
i have long given up on the carrobie. kelly still has hope.
28 Sep 09
Anywhooo, the topic of this thread was "why does god create crap? no reason therefore he doesn't exist" and i was claiming that an intelligent creator doesn't necessarily lead to a crappless universe, filled with perfect things.
and as such, the bee's sting and the imperfect human eye are not proof of the inexistance of god.
(we got a little of course there)
if you wish to continue this thread do so, else i suppose we should let it die.
28 Sep 09
Originally posted by ZahlanziIf Kelly opens his mind and actually learn something about the subject's he oh so willingly want's to discuss.
there are worse doods than him. the carrobie specimen comes to mind. the josephw is also a candidate.
i have long given up on the carrobie. kelly still has hope.
And, sure, he learns sometimes, but in the very instant he realize that what he just learnt was the contrary to his creationist dogmae, then he turns his opinion like a politician inteviewed by a journalist. So, according to my opinion, he's lost.
But as you say, there are others...
28 Sep 09
Originally posted by ZahlanziWhich is my point, you don't like God did it, so you reject it, it does
neither does creation. god simply created, nobody knows how. supposedly he simply "did" which is unacceptable to the scientists. for you it is acceptable to say "god did it i don't need to know why or how" for scientists it is not. the purpose of science is to advance knowledge and sometimes even benefit from it. there is no knowledge to be increased if you ...[text shortened]... oesn't need god. that is it. he could be real, or not, that is where faith comes in.
not matter that it may be the only reason, it only matters you do not
like it. If the only reason you reject the notion of a universe designed
is that you dislike it, you are not looking at it with open eyes, but have
placed blinders upon yourself.
My complaints about the Big Bang have never included Genesis, I do
not bring it up, typically someone like you does.
Kelly