Why has a bee's sting evolved to be barbed?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Because I believe in the God of the OT and NT, and I didn't always,
I became a Christian at 25, before that I had nothing to do with any
religion, after that for the first year I didn't even attend any specific
church for about a year. Instead I attending home Bible studies in
a number of different fellowships.
Kelly

so basically you believe in god, and as a result feel the need to believe everything the bible tells you for these reasons (correct me if i am mistaken):

1.The bible is the book of god
BECAUSE 2. some doods wrote in the bible that it is the book of god
BECAUSE 3. god told them to write in the bible that the bible is the book of god
you do not argue with anything the bible says
BECAUSE 4. god told the doods writing the bible to write in the bible that anything in it is the word of god, directly from god, and that god will smite a writer dead for even thinking of putting something not directly from god.
and you trust the doods that wrote the bible
BECAUSE 5. they wouldn't lie about serious stuff like that would they? or leave something out? or put something extra like say that, for example women must obey men in all things (because the writers are of course men) ? i mean they would really be mean if they were lying
ALSO(and perhaps most important) 6. god is to be obeyed not questioned. christianity is about important people having a direct line to god, receiving all guidelines and then mere mortals must follow without questions. like not wearing a condom because it is a sin.

Originally posted by KellyJay
My life, and God's call upon it. I cann't really give you one thing.
Kelly

Is that because there's nothing terribly convincing to you when you look closely?

God's call upon your life? How did/does this manifest?

Originally posted by amannion
Is that because there's nothing terribly convincing to you when you look closely?

God's call upon your life? How did/does this manifest?

That is a large part of it us, there is nothing terribly convincing when
we are looking at the distant past, and nothing as I have pointed out
even touches where did everything come from without God.

With respect to God's call, I can only tell you that God is alive and
if you really wanted to know about God, it is God you need to be
talking to not me.
Kelly

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
so basically you believe in god, and as a result feel the need to believe everything the bible tells you for these reasons (correct me if i am mistaken):

1.The bible is the book of god
BECAUSE 2. some doods wrote in the bible that it is the book of god
BECAUSE 3. god told them to write in the bible that the bible is the book of god
you do not argue w ...[text shortened]... then mere mortals must follow without questions. like not wearing a condom because it is a sin.

Everything can be questioned.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
That is a large part of it us, there is nothing terribly convincing when
we are looking at the distant past, and nothing as I have pointed out
even touches where did everything come from without God.

With respect to God's call, I can only tell you that God is alive and
if you really wanted to know about God, it is God you need to be
talking to not me.
Kelly

Okay, I'm happy to try talking to God but how do I do it and what should I expect as a response?
My feeling is that any sort of religio-spiritual experience I might have - warm fuzzy feelings, divine inspiration, flash of light, etc. - are manifestations of internal things, the inner workings of my mind. So how can I expect to see or hear or experience god if I will believe any of these connections with the divine to be just in my head?

And what I'm particularly interested in with religious people such as yourself is how you convince yourselves that these experiences are in fact external manifestations of a supernatural reality? How do you know your connection with god is not just going on inside your head?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Everything can be questioned.
Kelly

Even the religion.
Even the bible.
Even the existance of god.
But the interesting question, KJ, do *you* do that?

Originally posted by amannion
Okay, I'm happy to try talking to God but how do I do it and what should I expect as a response?
My feeling is that any sort of religio-spiritual experience I might have - warm fuzzy feelings, divine inspiration, flash of light, etc. - are manifestations of internal things, the inner workings of my mind. So how can I expect to see or hear or experience god ...[text shortened]... tural reality? How do you know your connection with god is not just going on inside your head?

I'd only tell you three things.
1st, be completely honest, you don't believe but your trying say so,
because God deals in the truth not lies.
2nd. Jesus made a way for us, to have fellowship with God, just know
that no matter what, it depends on Christ righteousness before God,
not your own.
3rd. From there speak your mind, just be mindful who your talking to,
you'd treat any world leader respectfully going before them, do so
with God as well, because He is much greater than any leader we have
placed above us.
Kelly

Originally posted by amannion
Okay, I'm happy to try talking to God but how do I do it and what should I expect as a response?
My feeling is that any sort of religio-spiritual experience I might have - warm fuzzy feelings, divine inspiration, flash of light, etc. - are manifestations of internal things, the inner workings of my mind. So how can I expect to see or hear or experience god ...[text shortened]... tural reality? How do you know your connection with god is not just going on inside your head?

If I wrote out a story that had the supernatural in it, would you
believe me? If I were in your shoes, I'd say no. The bottom line for
you is not what story I can tell or spin, it has be God, because only
God can prove God.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
only God can prove God.

That doesn't even prove that there is a god.

Only the boogie man can prove the boogey man.
Make sense? No, of course not.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Everything can be questioned.
Kelly

but not the bible?

edit: reply to my post. did i made a mistake in recounting your process of believing? was i off? were all of those not true?

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
but not the bible?

edit: reply to my post. did i made a mistake in recounting your process of believing? was i off? were all of those not true?

What part of 'everything' don't you understand?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'd only tell you three things.
1st, be completely honest, you don't believe but your trying say so,
because God deals in the truth not lies.
2nd. Jesus made a way for us, to have fellowship with God, just know
that no matter what, it depends on Christ righteousness before God,
not your own.
3rd. From there speak your mind, just be mindful who your t ...[text shortened]... with God as well, because He is much greater than any leader we have
placed above us.
Kelly

No, I think you missed my point - I think you're labeling internal experiences as some sort of external god. You can add all the jesus talk along with that.
How do you know it's not internal?

Originally posted by KellyJay
What part of 'everything' don't you understand?
Kelly

everything of what i said or everything anything?

because the latter is certainly true, except you don't really believe it. and if you mean the first, i would love to hear your arguments.

Originally posted by amannion
No, I think you missed my point - I think you're labeling internal experiences as some sort of external god. You can add all the jesus talk along with that.
How do you know it's not internal?

you don't, it is called faith. and you choose to believe or you choose to dismiss those internal feelings as having too much chocolate.

it is only kelly and doodz like him that call it fact.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
you don't, it is called faith. and you choose to believe or you choose to dismiss those internal feelings as having too much chocolate.

it is only kelly and doodz like him that call it fact.

Well duh!
But I'm interested in how the religious respond to this ...