27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterMore than likely a symbolic one, it doesn't change that other events and places are, or are
Is the whore of Babylon a literal whore or a symbolic one?
Is the beast with 7 heads a literal Jason and the Argonauts type of Ray Harryhausen creature or a symbolic one?
Is the pearl of great price a literal pearl buried in a literal field or is it a symbolic one?
Is the lake of fire and brimstone a literal lake with burning fuel and brimston ...[text shortened]... think I just might be a teensy-weensy bit symbolic?
Just have a think about it for a moment.
not. You can think whatever you like about a literal lake.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayIt is “More than likely” that the 7 headed beast in Revelation is symbolic...
More than likely a symbolic one, Ithaca doesn't change that other events and places are, or are
not.
But you are absolutely definite that the eternal suffering in hell is literal, right?
27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterI don't know about the 7 headed beast, if its real its a spiritual creature if it is not it is a
It is “More than likely” that the 7 headed beast in Revelation is symbolic...
But you are absolutely definite that the eternal suffering in hell is literal, right?
symbolic one. Yes, Hell is literal, it was created for the devil and his angels.
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27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayHow can you be sure about one and not the other?
I don't know about the 7 headed beast, if its real its a spiritual creature if it is not it is a
symbolic one. Yes, Hell is literal, it was created for the devil and his angels.
Is the pearl of great price that Jesus spoke about, real or symbolic?
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Originally posted by @divegeesterdive, you can hide from that truth all you want, find a million examples that are symbolic it
How can you be sure about one and not the other?
Is the pearl of great price that Jesus spoke about, real or symbolic?
will not change that somethings within scripture are very real.
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Originally posted by @tom-wolsey“Lashing out” is an inapt metaphor for my criticism of your continuation of the movie comparison. But I suppose the metaphors for the end times and horrors of Hell that are already in the Bible could use an update. Perhaps a multiplayer first person shooter game would draw more eyeballs but nobody would truly appreciate the deadly serious Torments of Hell like they do with the summer movie comparison. It’s such a realistic comparison, even the popcorn munchers watching the torments get a nod.
I responded to a comparison to a movie you idiot. And by the way, the likes of Shakespeare and other authors and titans of literature have compared human existence to that of a play, or a novel; a movie by today's standards. In discussions involving God's omniscience and subsequent foreknowledge and foreordination, mankind's story is often liken ...[text shortened]... s a drama that is unfolding, then I can't help that. I'm not sure why you're lashing out at me.
I wonder if the treatment of Hell as a movie or play finds its best audience among those who consider themselves saved, with nothing to do beyond enjoying the show and dreaming up tortures for other people to experience. It should appeal to wannabe sadists everywhere.
27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfNope not any more than I can change the color of the sky because blue isn’t my favorite color. Our likes and dislikes don’t come into play which is why I have asked for scripture not opinions! We could do the same argument with Heaven as well, or Jesus’ birth.
Is it up to you which things are real and which are not?
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27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayHow do you know that the things in bible that you believe to be literal and not in fact symbolic like all the others?
dive, you can hide from that truth all you want, find a million examples that are symbolic it
will not change that somethings within scripture are very real.
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27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayHow do you decide which things ar literal and which aren’t?
Nope not any more than I can change the color of the sky because blue isn’t my favorite color. Our likes and dislikes don’t come into play which is why I have asked for scripture not opinions! We could do the same argument with Heaven as well, or Jesus’ birth.
27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @js357I'm sorry that in a conversation with someone else and politely following along with the subject matter he introduced, that I somehow triggered your fear and anxiety when it comes to the possibilities of a real hell. My best recommendation for you would be to repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. That would be a good start.
“Lashing out” is an inapt metaphor for my criticism of your continuation of the movie comparison. But I suppose the metaphors for the end times and horrors of Hell that are already in the Bible could use an update. Perhaps a multiplayer first person shooter game would draw more eyeballs but nobody would truly appreciate the deadly serious Torments of Hell lik ...[text shortened]... ming up tortures for other people to experience. It should appeal to wannabe sadists everywhere.
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Originally posted by @tom-wolseyThanks. I see it as a clear intention of many RHP posters over the years to unapologetically trigger fear and anxiety in nonbelievers. In this case I critized you for what I took to be the opposite, that is the trivialation of a truly horrible depiction that can be made of a possible afterlife. In effect I prefer to deal intellectually with a worst case scenario of Hell, rather that suspect I am confronting only a sugar coated version. You triggered my objection to the movie comparison, as too weak. I am sorry.
I'm sorry that in a conversation with someone else and politely following along with the subject matter he introduced, that I somehow triggered your fear and anxiety when it comes to the possibilities of a real hell. My best recommendation for you would be to repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. That would be a good start.
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27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjay1. Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden.
Nope not any more than I can change the color of the sky because blue isn’t my favorite color. Our likes and dislikes don’t come into play which is why I have asked for scripture not opinions! We could do the same argument with Heaven as well, or Jesus’ birth.
2. The Tower of Babel.
3. Seven-headed beast in Revelation
4. Jacob's ladder
5. Eternal suffering in hell.
6. The birth of Jesus in Bethlehem.
7. The book of Job.
To me, all of the above are non-literal and symbolic metaphor. How do you, Kelly, determine what is literal and what is not literal? (when clearly the Bible, at times, is making use of metaphor to get its message across).
Originally posted by @divegeesterI have answered this why don’t you share how you do it!
How do you know that the things in bible that you believe to be literal and not in fact symbolic like all the others?