29 Jun 18
Originally posted by @chaney3Please respond to my questions, no one questions God’s love.
The thing we fail to recognize most of the time is that God loves the people that we hate, and it baffles us.
In the story of Jonah, he was put into the 'large fish' because he refused to listen to God.
God wanted Jonah to preach to the people that Jonah himself despised, and he paid for his rebellion.
Apparently, God loves everyone, not just the ones we deem lovable.
29 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayI did respond, but you probably didn't like my response.
Please respond to my questions, no one questions God’s love.
God loves the sinners, just as much as the ones who try a little harder not to sin.
But in the end, we are ALL sinners.
God loves the people that we don't......you got that right? So maybe their salvation is taken care of. I think some Christians get 'jealous' over that, like it's unfair.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterBoth statements were simple facts.
Both of those statements are absolutely fine for the purposes of dodging the key questions arising in this thread.
I don't really know what you believe, even about God's nature.
And I didn't have much time to discuss.
Your arguments are not even worth a dodge. Obviously you are ashamed of Jesus' words and apparently ashamed of Jesus Himself, I suppose.
"For whoever is ashamed of Me and of My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man also will be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels." (Mark 9:38; comp Luke 9:26; )
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Originally posted by @chaney3Okay so if I understand you and I may not! You think God’s love means it’s okay to murder, rob, steal, hate each other and these will all be forever forgiven and those who do evil God blinks at evil and justify those who do evil!
I did respond, but you probably didn't like my response.
God loves the sinners, just as much as the ones who try a little harder not to sin.
But in the end, we are ALL sinners.
God loves the people that we don't......you got that right? So maybe their salvation is taken care of. I think some Christians get 'jealous' over that, like it's unfair.
You think a Holy, Righteous, God embraces evil because He is fond of sinners, carrying nothing for His own righteousness?
29 Jun 18
Originally posted by @chaney3You would not find anywhere in the Bible where it says God loves sinners. You would find the statement that God loves people and sent Jesus to die for all people, sinners included. The aim of this is to get sinners to repent and to stop sinning, giving them a hope of eternal life. A life of sin means no such hope.
I did respond, but you probably didn't like my response.
God loves the sinners, just as much as the ones who try a little harder not to sin.
But in the end, we are ALL sinners.
God loves the people that we don't......you got that right? So maybe their salvation is taken care of. I think some Christians get 'jealous' over that, like it's unfair.
God hates sinners and in the end sinners who do not repent and change their ways will be destroyed.
The belief that God loves sinners is one of the most dangerous beliefs that a man can have. It leads to complacency and a lackluster attitude to living righteously.
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Originally posted by @sonshipTelling me you don’t know what I believe when I’ve been openly and actively posting here for 10 years is simply dishonest.
Both statements were simple facts.
I don't really know what you believe, even about God's nature.
And I didn't have much time to discuss.
Your arguments are not even worth a dodge. Obviously you are [b]ashamed of Jesus' words and apparently ashamed of Jesus Himself, I suppose.
"For whoever is ashamed of Me and of My words ...[text shortened]... es in the glory of His Father with the holy angels." (Mark 9:38; comp Luke 9:26; )[/b]
Telling me you have no time to respond to the topic in this thread when you must spend a very proportion of your daily life posting pages after page of your “teaching” is also dishonest.
Telling me the arguments I’m making in this thread are not worth a dodge when you have spent virtually the entire thread been dodging direct questions about the impact of those arguments is astonishing.
Trying to insult me using the same mealy-mouthed rhetoric as posters like Romans1009 ~ “you are ashamed of Christ” ~ “you are ashamed of his words” is weak nonsense sonship.
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Reflecting on this thread, the main subject and the barbed comments levied at myself for challenging the supposed status quo of eternal kin hell hell believers; I thank my version of God for his eternal mercy in allowing me the intellectual and spiritual latitude to reason with discernment and apply moral judgment when reading the bible.
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Originally posted by @divegeester
Telling me you don’t know what I believe when I’ve been openly and actively posting here for 10 years is simply dishonest.
No it isn't.
I know what you've written. But I don't know how you really feel about Christ. You like to write god with a small g and a your "good confession" was weird.
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Telling me you have no time to respond to the topic in this thread when you must spend a very proportion of your daily life posting pages after page of your “teaching” is also dishonest.
No it is not. I have swaths of time to write posts and I have swaths of time when I don't have time. There's nothing extraordinary about that.
You're just eager to slander people who don't agree with you as "dishonest" just like Dasa use to do.
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Telling me the arguments I’m making in this thread are not worth a dodge when you have spent virtually the entire thread been dodging direct questions about the impact of those arguments is astonishing.
You're astonished at pretty much anyone who doesn't immediately always make your ego the center of every discussion all day long.
A gargantuan self love.
Trying to insult me using the same mealy-mouthed rhetoric as posters like Romans1009 ~ “you are ashamed of Christ” ~ “you are ashamed of his words” is weak nonsense sonship.
Doesn't do anything to change my impression.
You admit Christ said Luke 12:5.
You haven't given much of an alternative interpretation to the fact that it speaks of God's power to punish even after death.
Yet you hate the teaching and certainly won't own it.
And those who believe, are "mealy mouth" - whatever that is suppose to mean.
I see you as ashamed of the words of Christ.
You want to totally distance yourself from some of His teachings.
His words, if you teach them too, would sully your good name, supposedly.
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29 Jun 18
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Though Divegeester says I dodged, this reply was about as direct as I can possibly be.
This is what should happen to those whose names are not recorded in the book of life.
"And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:15)
I would add that God, by definition, is of a highest morality above which a higher is not possible. So this is the highest moral thing that should happen to those totally revolting against ANY reconciliation to God.
Rather than dodge a question I met it HEAD ON with my answer.
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Divegeester,
If you believe God put into the mouth of Jesus Christ Luke 12:5 interpret the verse for me.
What is the reason that man should fear God according to that teaching ?
Make sure you answer the question and not talk about something not asked about. (Like what burning flesh smells like or how many billions make it horrendous that God judges).
WHAT IS THE REASON THAT CHRIST GIVES THAT MEN SHOULD FEAR GOD IN LUKE 12:5 ?
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Oh Divegeester, you mean maybe you are doing something else at the moment? Then why can't you believe I might be preoccupied with other matters besides pages of posting too sometime?
Accusing hypocrite as you are ...
WHAT IS THE REASON CHRIST GIVES THAT MEN SHOULD FEAR GOD IN LUKE 12:5 ?
If you have a better interpretation then I've offered, give it now.
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29 Jun 18
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Originally posted by @chaney3Aren’t you saying, But in the end, we are ALL sinners, and are all dealt with accordingly, and are ultimately saved? God’s Love will find a way.
I did respond, but you probably didn't like my response.
God loves the sinners, just as much as the ones who try a little harder not to sin.
But in the end, we are ALL sinners.
God loves the people that we don't......you got that right? So maybe their salvation is taken care of. I think some Christians get 'jealous' over that, like it's unfair.
I’m not arguing with you, not here anyway, just trying to piece it together from what you’ve said.
29 Jun 18
Originally posted by @js357Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Aren’t you saying, But in the end, we are ALL sinners, and are all dealt with accordingly, and are ultimately saved? God’s Love will find a way.
I’m not arguing with you, not here anyway, just trying to piece it together from what you’ve said.
But in a realistic way:
We will ALL be judged by our actions, and will have a price to pay, but it won't include hell. I am NOT saying that God approves of any sin, but He will punish us accordingly, in a loving way, because HE created us.
Maybe the opposite of Dante's inferno?? Different levels of Heaven based on the quality of life one has lived??
God knows the heart of men, and who sincerely desires to be the best person they can, as opposed to those who either don't try too hard, or not much at all.
Note: I don't have scripture to back me up, and this is based upon my 'hunch' that God has a 'perfect justice' waiting, which doesn't include a lake of fire for eternity.