Why torturing people for eternity is wrong

Originally posted by @fmf
I post here as a non-believer. I am not a Christian. My former Christian self is not in competition with or engaged in any way with your current Christian self.

I am interested in discussing your current beliefs: the claims you make about you and me. And I am interested in discussing my current beliefs.

My current beliefs about your current beliefs are ...[text shortened]... es to questions about your beliefs are not going to be found in what I believed in past decades.

Yes, you are repeating yourself.
I'm here as a believer, which has nothing to do with anything.
I'm interested in your old beliefs.
So I'm asking.
If interests are all that matters, should I assume yours are the only ones you care about?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
It is sad yes, but having a few years under my belt it isn't hard to see. Life can be difficult
and depending on God our trials will test our faith! If our faith isn't on something solid and
real it will and can crumble when tested. We either have God or we are making one up, if
we claim to be a Christian without God's Spirit, or we are just some type o ...[text shortened]... t, or worse yet we find ourselves standing
before Jesus and hear the words, "I never knew you."

Do you think the Good Samaritan had Gods Spirit? Let me answer for you .. NO. The Samaritan was a compassionate man who showed love for his neighbour in need, He will be in the Kingdom of God.

Your constant talk of having Gods Spirit yet at the same time denying Christ by your doctrine that good works is condemned, and by questioning how many good works someone needs to do and other such foolish infantile questions. The Spirit of Christ is his teachings and commandments. Anyone who has read these teachings and put them into practice has the Spirit of Christ.

Your claim that you will follow out your life with good works because you have Gods Spirit is a delusion. What counts is your actions.

Originally posted by @sonship
Its clear that you'll break your arm patting yourself on the back, imagining that you pose questions that need running away from.

Ask me now your toughest question. And if I have to untwist the concealed innuendos in it first before I reply, I will.

Not your second or third or fourth toughest now. Ask your [b] TOUGHEST questio ...[text shortened]... perpetual infinite string of dumb innuendo-ed questions from you as if I had nothing else to do.[/b]

Every so often you make this post “ask me your toughest question”. It appears to me that you do this when find yourself pinned, angry and intensely frustrated.

There is an unanswered question a few posts above this post of yours which I’m replying to. Not one Christian in this forum will answer it including you. Here it is yet again...

Is it morally right to burn a person alive for eternity?

Have a yes or no crack at that one, then we can get back to the other questions about my rejection of your teaching/doctrines and the subsequent impact on my salvation.

Originally posted by @chaney3
What still surprises me about FMF is his complete lack of care regarding Jesus. If someone once called Jesus a 'friend', but has now totally kicked Him to the curb, you have to wonder how sincere it all was to begin with. And if it was sincere at one point, then it takes a rather cold heart to turn away, then challenge others who are still working on their 'walk' with Jesus.

For an person of reasonable apparent intelligence your inability to process some of the simplest concepts regarding faith and lack of faith is remarkable.

Originally posted by @divegeester
For an person of reasonable apparent intelligence your inability to process some of the simplest concepts regarding faith and lack of faith is remarkable.

At times, FMF acts like someone who quit smoking after doing it for many years, then treats current smokers with an attitude of sorts, and forgets that he once smoked himself.

Why can't you see that?
Your blinded by your alliance with him.

Originally posted by @chaney3
There is a big difference between making a decision that you are no longer a believer, and your current posting attitude about faith.

Whether you realize it or not, your posting style has an underlying 'mocking tone' regarding believers. You seem to 'sneer' at the 'God figure'.

I don't really understand why you do it.

When you read some of the comments made by certain Christians to me, the viscous spiteful invective, the accusations of being a Christ denier, the deserving to burn in hell, of being a Christian basher and abuser etc...because I don’t share their beliefs about certain aspects of their religious philosophy...do you ask them why they do it?

Originally posted by @chaney3
At times, FMF acts like someone who quit smoking after doing it for many years, then treats current smokers with an attitude of sorts, and forgets that he once smoked himself.

Why can't you see that?
Your blinded by your alliance with him.

What I see in FMF’s posting is not a challenge to people’s faith but a scrutiny of the religious physiological framework which frequently displays itself as a pious self-righteousness, misanthropy and even rank dishonestly. It is these character artefacts that I see FMF probing,

Why can’t you see that?

Originally posted by @divegeester
What I see in FMF’s posting is not a challenge to people’s faith but a scrutiny of the physiological framework which frequently displays itself as a piou self-righteousness, misanthropy and even rank dishonestly. It is these character artefacts that I see FMF probing,

Why can’t you see that?

He attacks your God.
He attacks your Jesus.

Now, that's fine, but I think him being a former Christian is what rubs me the wrong way.

You would think he would have some...any...kind thoughts about it all, but he doesn't.

I can't put my finger on it exactly, and will give it more thought.

But I will say this, as an atheist, Ghost treats Christianity with much more respect than FMF, not even a contest.

Originally posted by @chaney3
He attacks your God.
He attacks your Jesus.

I don’t see FMF attacking god or Jesus, and why is he MY god and MY Jesus, didn’t you say the other day that you were a Christian, or have you changed your mind again?

Originally posted by @chaney3
I can't put my finger on it exactly, and will give it more thought.

This would probably be a good idea.

Originally posted by @divegeester
I don’t see FMF attacking god or Jesus, and why is he MY god and MY Jesus, didn’t you say the other day that you were a Christian, or have you changed your mind again?

What's with your attitude??

I don't like how you act when someone challenges FMF.

He's a big boy, let him debate with me.

Why the need to come to his defense? It's strange Dive.

Originally posted by @chaney3
What's with your attitude??

What attitude? I’m asking you why you call Jesus “my (divegeester’s) Jesus”.

Originally posted by @chaney3
I don't like how you act when someone challenges FMF.
He's a big boy, let him debate with me.
Why the need to come to his defense? It's strange Dive.

I am debating you, I am not defending him. Do you really, honestly think I’m trying to defend FMF?

Originally posted by @rajk999
Do you think the Good Samaritan had Gods Spirit? Let me answer for you .. NO. The Samaritan was a compassionate man who showed love for his neighbour in need, He will be in the Kingdom of God.

Your constant talk of having Gods Spirit yet at the same time denying Christ by your doctrine that good works is condemned, and by questioning how many good w ...[text shortened]... ur life with good works because you have Gods Spirit is a delusion. What counts is your actions.

So tell me again, Atheist who deny Christ will be okay if they do good works with God?

God can be bribed? You still admit you believe this?

You can not have God's Spirit and still belong to God?

The Good Samaritan was an example Jesus used to let people know everyone is
someone we should be taking care of. Was He real, don't know, so hard to say.

Do you think people who do good works can do anything else they want and get into
God's Kingdom?

What would you know of my life?

Judging are we?

Originally posted by @kellyjay to Rajk99
God can be bribed? You still admit you believe this?

I challenged you on this notion you have that Rajk999 advocates "bribing" God earlier on this thread and I was very specific about the points you could have addressed. Instead you immediately started deflecting and basically ran away.

"Bribing God" or simply 'obeying Jesus' commandments'?