Why torturing people for eternity is wrong

Originally posted by @chaney3
Yes, that's what I'm saying.

But in a realistic way:

We will ALL be judged by our actions, and will have a price to pay, but it won't include hell. I am NOT saying that God approves of any sin, but He will punish us accordingly, in a loving way, because HE created us.

Maybe the opposite of Dante's inferno?? Different levels of Heaven based on the ...[text shortened]... ch' that God has a 'perfect justice' waiting, which doesn't include a lake of fire for eternity.

Based upon what?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Based upon what?

Based on the same imagination and conjecture that led some writers to concoct the Jesus cult of personality and set up a breakaway religion in the decades and centuries after he was executed by the Romans.

Originally posted by @fmf
Based on the same imagination and conjecture that led some writers to concoct the Jesus cult of personality and set up a breakaway religion in the decades and centuries after he was executed by the Romans.

You have gone a long way since Jesus was a part of your life.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You have gone a long way since Jesus was a part of your life.

Well, I am not a Christian if that's what you mean.

In personal terms, the "long way" I have gone has been a form of progress. If your views on who Jesus was help you to cope with life and death, good for you.

Originally posted by @sonship

Telling me you don’t know what I believe when I’ve been openly and actively posting here for 10 years is simply dishonest.

No it isn't.
I know what you've written. But I don't know how you really feel about Christ. You like to write god with a small g and a your "good confession" was weird.

Yes it is dishonest, you are dishonest sonship.

after a decade of interacting with you I don’t know what you believe because you sometimes write God with a small “g” and one of your posts was “weird”

Pathetic.

Originally posted by @sonship

Telling me you have no time to respond to the topic in this thread when you must spend a very proportion of your daily life posting pages after page of your “teaching” is also dishonest.

No it is not. I have swaths of time to write posts and I have swaths of time when I don't have time. There's nothing extraordinary about that.

You ...[text shortened]... e just eager to slander people who don't agree with you as "dishonest" just like Dasa use to do.

No you are a liar old chap. You spend hours and hours on this site most days, posting and posting and posting.

Pretending you haven’t got time to post is a barefaced lie.

Originally posted by @sonship

Telling me the arguments I’m making in this thread are not worth a dodge when you have spent virtually the entire thread been dodging direct questions about the impact of those arguments is astonishing.

You're astonished at pretty much anyone who doesn't immediately always make your ego the center of every discussion all day long.
A ...[text shortened]... e of His teachings.

His words, if you teach them too, would sully your good name, supposedly.

Throwing insults at me doesn’t change the accuracy of my post which challenges your lie about you “not being bothered to dodge my questions” in this thread, when in fact, you’ve been dodging them them all through the thread. Saying you can’t be botherec to dodge them is just another lie sonship.

Originally posted by @sonship
Though Divegeester says I dodged, this reply was about as direct as I can possibly be.

This is what should happen to those whose names are not recorded in the book of life.

[b] "And if anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:15)

I would add that God, by definition, ...[text shortened]... inst ANY reconciliation to God.

Rather than dodge a question I met it HEAD ON with my answer.[/b]

If I ask you for the umpteenth time:

“Is it morally right to burn people alive for eternity?”

Will you lie, and claim you have answered the question directly, or will you post another bible verse describing your version of god burning people in hell for eternity, and then claim you can’t be bothered to dodge the question...?

Originally posted by @sonship
Divegeester,

If you believe God put into the mouth of Jesus Christ [b]Luke 12:5 interpret the verse for me.

What is the reason that man should fear God according to that teaching ?

Make sure you answer the question and not talk about something not asked about. (Like what burning flesh smells like or how many billions make it horrendous that ...[text shortened]... judges).

WHAT IS THE REASON THAT CHRIST GIVES THAT MEN SHOULD FEAR GOD IN LUKE 12:5 ?[/b]

People should fear god because he has the ability to do horrible things to them.

How’s that?

Originally posted by @sonship
Oh Divegeester, you mean maybe you are doing something else at the moment? Then why can't you believe I might be preoccupied with other matters besides pages of posting too sometime?

Accusing hypocrite as you are ...

WHAT IS THE REASON CHRIST GIVES THAT MEN SHOULD FEAR GOD IN [b]LUKE 12:5 ?

If you have a better interpretation then I've offered, give it now.[/b]

I answer questions directly and honestly as soon as I see them.

You deflect dodge obfuscate and run away, sometimes for several days at a time as then pretend you can’t remember what the topic was when you return.

Irrespective of wether you like me or not, I am always honest in my posting, whereas you quite often, are not.

Clear?

Originally posted by @fmf
Well, I am not a Christian if that's what you mean.

In personal terms, the "long way" I have gone has been a form of progress. If your views on who Jesus was help you to cope with life and death, good for you.

Not sure what just views could do for anyone during good and bad times.

Originally posted by @divegeester
I answer questions directly and honestly as soon as I see them.

You deflect dodge obfuscate and run away, sometimes for several days at a time as then pretend you can’t remember what the topic was when you return.

Irrespective of wether you like me or not, I am always honest in my posting, whereas you quite often, are not.

Clear?

Its clear that you'll break your arm patting yourself on the back, imagining that you pose questions that need running away from.

Ask me now your toughest question. And if I have to untwist the concealed innuendos in it first before I reply, I will.

Not your second or third or fourth toughest now. Ask your TOUGHEST question. Let me see if I have a heart attack.

And that doesn't mean a perpetual infinite string of dumb innuendo-ed questions from you as if I had nothing else to do.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Not sure what just views could do for anyone during good and bad times.

It's a question of psychology. You have stated several times that your religious beliefs have helped you through bad times.

Originally posted by @fmf
It's a question of psychology. You have stated several times that your religious beliefs have helped you through bad times.

Did you ever answer my question to you about sharing the gospel as you used to believe in it?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Did you ever answer my question to you about sharing the gospel as you used to believe in it?

No. I am interested in discussing your current beliefs and my current beliefs.