27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI believe that most are quite literal, context how they are being related. If anything is to be unquestionably “unreal” the way they are given in such a way that would be understood. Taking into account spiritual visions are some time part of this discussion, if theses were seen than they were seen, how that relates to being “real” hard to say.
1. Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden.
2. The Tower of Babel.
3. Seven-headed beast in Revelation
4. Jacob's ladder
5. Eternal suffering in hell.
6. The birth of Jesus in Bethlehem.
7. The book of Job.
To me, all of the above are non-literal and symbolic metaphor. How do you, Kelly, determine what is literal and what is not literal? (when clearly the Bible, at times, is making use of metaphor to get its message across).
Originally posted by @kellyjaySome things are metaphorical and some things are literally real. As for which is which, you seem to think you are right and divegeester is wrong. So whatever your interpretation is, it's the right one, yes? Or does divegeester sometimes get it right and you get it wrong?
Nope not any more than I can change the color of the sky because blue isn’t my favorite color. Our likes and dislikes don’t come into play which is why I have asked for scripture not opinions! We could do the same argument with Heaven as well, or Jesus’ birth.
27 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfI don’t think it is a matter of what I believe verses anyone else. The scriptures are not books according to popular opinions. I can be right or wrong on any topic. For example if how Hell is being described, is by painting a picture about how horrible it is going to be for those that die in their sins, and a lake of unending fire and torment was used to convey that, will it matter if it was symbolic when the reality is then fully known?
Some things are metaphorical and some things are literally real. As for which is which, you seem to think you are right and divegeester is wrong. So whatever your interpretation is, it's the right one, yes? Or does divegeester sometimes get it right and you get it wrong?
Originally posted by @kellyjaySo you are right and divegeester is wrong about what is real and what is symbolic, is that the long and short of it?
I don’t think it is a matter of what I believe verses anyone else. The scriptures are not books according to popular opinions. I can be right or wrong on any topic. For example if how Hell is being described, is by painting a picture about how horrible it is going to be for those that die in their sins, and a lake of unending fire and torment was used to convey that, will it matter if it was symbolic when the reality is then fully known?
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28 Jun 18
Is there any eternal suffering believer in this forum who has the courage answer these two key questions:
1) is it morally right to burn someone alive for eternity? Yes or no.
2) how do you decide which parts of the book of Revelation are literal and which are symbolic.
Meanwhile you hang on to your beloved horrible doctrines with all your might.
28 Jun 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterNot for me no.
Is there any eternal suffering believer in this forum who has the courage answer these two key questions:
1) is it morally right to burn someone alive for eternity? Yes or no.
2) how do you decide which parts of the book of Revelation are literal and which are symbolic.
Meanwhile you hang on to your beloved horrible doctrines with all your might.
I don’t care what parts are literal or not, the message from that book with respect to Hell is also throughout scripture.
God will judge righteously and do according to His will when it comes to evil and sin.
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28 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayWhat does this reply by you mean:
Not for me no.
I don’t care what parts are literal or not, the message from that book with respect to Hell is also throughout scripture.
God will judge righteously and do according to His will when it comes to evil and sin.
It is not morally right?
It is somehow morally right for God, but not morally right for you?
28 Jun 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterGod sets the standards I do not, therefore He can do things I cannot. He sets the times
What does this reply by you mean:
It is not morally right?
It is somehow morally right for God, but not morally right for you?
for everyone's death in this life and after that the judgment, I'm here like all others.
28 Jun 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterThe symbolism is to convey a thought, to make a point, something real can do the
Could it all be a big mass of symbolism then and you wouldn’t care...is that what you are saying?
same thing therefore it if is real, it is real, if it was used to draw a picture of the reality in
how bad it is going to be by using a lake of fire that never stops...the point even if shared
was done so through a symbol tells us whatever punishment for evil man does is going
to be horrific no matter.
28 Jun 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterYes, you want to stand in judgment over God.
Have you even read my OP or just assumed that you know what’s in it?
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Originally posted by @kellyjayYes, thanks I do know what symbolism is KellyJay.
The symbolism is to convey a thought, to make a point, something real can do the same thing therefore it if is real, it is real, if it was used to draw a picture of the reality in how bad it is going to be by using a lake of fire that never stops...the point even if shared was done so through a symbol tells us whatever punishment for evil man does is going to be horrific no matter.
So are you now accepting that it could be symbolism, albeit “horrific” symbolism?
28 Jun 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterYou should read your OP maybe it will help you understand that you are passing judgment
As I suspected you didn’t understand it, or possibly you are allowing your personal prejudices to influence your honestly.
upon scripture, not allowing scripture to pass judgment on you.