Why torturing people for eternity is wrong

Originally posted by @js357
Fairly often, I go back to read a post of mine only to find it to be vague and or confusing. It seems like confusion creeps in in my final edits. I think my posts are sometimes justifiably dismissed by readers for this reason and or because I don’t take a clear stand. If it’s deliberate, I hope it’s not trolling but instead is seeking to elicit informative discussion. I’ll take your criticism seriously.

Don’t sweat the small stuff, no one here is perfect, especially those demanding it in others! Even if you were spot on in how you presented your point than something else would be criticized like your motives. I wish we were all treating each other the way we would like to be treated. If you arrive at perfection I doubt any of us would want to talk to you, look how we treat the great and powerful Duke? 🙂

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Don’t sweat the small stuff, no one here is perfect, especially those demanding it in others! Even if you were spot on in how you presented your point than something else would be criticized like your motives. I wish we were all treating each other the way we would like to be treated. If you arrive at perfection I doubt any of us would want to talk to you, look how we treat the great and powerful Duke? 🙂

I'm not quite so great and powerful in our current game sir.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Well at least you are attempting to go direct to the question, but why not use scripture to
defend your view about scripture instead of judging scripture by what you think about it?

What? Use scripture to defend his view of scripture?
Are you mad, why would he want to do that? He wants to torture us for what seems like an eternity with his own doctrine.

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
What? Use scripture to defend his view of scripture?
Are you mad, why would he want to do that? He wants to torture us for what seems like an eternity with his own doctrine.

😉

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
I'm not quite so great and powerful in our current game sir.

😉 you should have seen the smartalec response I felt the need to delete instead of post! LOL

Originally posted by @divegeester
In the The God Who Hates thread this morning (my time in Greece) KellyJay asked me to tell him why I think The doctrine of eternal suffering is wrong. Obviously I’m a little surprised that question as it’s been one of the most discussed topics in this forum in the last several years and I would have thought my position on this is quite clear. But I’ll l ...[text shortened]... torture that is for sure.

I hope I’ve now made myself clear to you on this matter KellyJay?

I thought you don't believe in moral absolutes?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I thought you don't believe in moral absolutes?

Perhaps you missed Dive's post? Here it is again:


Daniel, I will tell you this once more and not again.

I am not interested in you, dj2becker, fetchmyjunk or Romans1009. I’m not interested in your posts, your opinions or any of your repetitive idiocy. I will not be engaging with you as you are a juvenile lying troll.

I trust that is clear, but if not, tough.

Originally posted by @chaney3
I think it's extremely relevant to this thread.

If you don't "believe in Him", you will perish, as stated in John 3:16.

That statement would seem to rule out atheists, and all other religions.

It's actually quite significant.

Edit: Suzianne has told me that "believing in Jesus" is the least I could do, for what He did for me. While that is tru ...[text shortened]... ernal hell await me if I cannot believe? Or if I have doubts?

It's quite serious....I think.

It’s not significant for this thread it is just an oddity about you that despite several posters here writing you detailed honest explanations sometimes washed with personal experience, you just seem to ignore it all an keep asking the same questions like a child.

Originally posted by @js357
Fairly often, I go back to read a post of mine only to find it to be vague and or confusing. It seems like confusion creeps in in my final edits. I think my posts are sometimes justifiably dismissed by readers for this reason and or because I don’t take a clear stand. If it’s deliberate, I hope it’s not trolling but instead is seeking to elicit informative discussion. I’ll take your criticism seriously.

Sometimes I don’t understand the point you are making although I generally enjoy your posts.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
😉

The title of the OP is why it is morally wrong to burn someone alive for eternity, this is fundamentally a moral argument although my OP creates a 7 point argument which includes a scriptural reference.

Winking at Lemon Lime because he prefers to post a lame comment which he thinks makes him look smart when actually he could just address the points in the OP, is just making you look silly.

Originally posted by @lemon-lime
What? Use scripture to defend his view of scripture?
Are you mad, why would he want to do that? He wants to torture us for what seems like an eternity with his own doctrine.

Perhaps if you actually read the OP and then addressed the structure of points laid out in it instead of causally lobbing this silly ad-hominem over the fence and running away...?

Originally posted by @kellyjay to JS357
Even if you were spot on in how you presented your point than something else would be criticized like your motives. I wish we were all treating each other the way we would like to be treated.

Interesting that you would say this to another poster. You have been questioning my motives by accusing me of being a liar these last couple of days because I asked you a couple of awkward but straightforward questions.

For the record, I take you at your word when you claim that you are a Christian. I do not think you are a liar. I do not need you to prove you are a Christian, nor is there any litmus test about your brand of Christianity now or in the past, nor do I have any questions about your past history. I just take you at your word. I am not accusing of you of being a liar.

It's curious that, in a simple discussion like this, you are unable to return this common courtesy.

Originally posted by @fmf
Interesting that you would say this to another poster. You have been questioning my motives by accusing me of being a liar these last couple of days because I asked you a couple of awkward but straightforward questions.

For the record, I take you at your word when you claim that you are a Christian. I do not think you are a liar. I do not need you to prove ...[text shortened]... s curious that, in a simple discussion like this, you are unable to return this common courtesy.

No, the question had nothing to do my views about you. Hard questions, easy questions
are asked all the time here. Anyone who understood the gospel at any time in their lives
would have some understanding of its truth, you seem to have none. I began to question
your story due to the total of things you have said, not a single question, or insult.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
No, the question had nothing to do my views about you. Hard questions, easy questions are asked all the time here. Anyone who understood the gospel at any time in their lives would have some understanding of its truth, you seem to have none. I began to question your story due to the total of things you have said, not a single question, or insult.

I am not a liar, and I haven't lied about anything, whatever you might choose to say in the midst of an exchange of views that makes you uncomfortable. And I haven't called you a liar either. I take what you say about yourself at face value and in good faith. For me, this is a matter of common decency even if it's not for you.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Anyone who understood the gospel at any time in their lives would have some understanding of its truth, you seem to have none.

I am an agnostic atheist. Assertions about the "truth" of the gospels are for Christians to make. Stop deflecting. Stop running away from the discussion.