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24 Jan 05
28 Apr 05
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Originally posted by Samdoggyou missed my point - although I didnt say it - if the knight isnt taken, IM will either take the unprotected rook with his queen or the pawn on f7 with his knight. It's a double threat, and it can only be countered with Rxe5. We will just have to find a better 20th or 21th move.
what about Ra4 or Ra6?
Ra4 and/or Ra6 before the 22th move could be a solution though.
29 Apr 05
A pitty we cannot play 18...Rd6 and 19...Rhd8 because of 19.Qa3! with a clear win.
I believe 18...Rhf8 is the most solid continuation. There is also the possibility of the weird looking 18...Rdf8 though it seems to define Black's defensive strategy from there on.
The pointless venture of the rook 18...Rd5 19.c4 Ra5 is in my opinion a bit premature; however 18...Rd5 19.c4 Rdd8 may be a good line to consider. White has no immediate threats and he has lost the possibility of protecting the d pawn with c3 in the future giving us a clear pressure point.
29 Apr 05
Originally posted by Kyothat would be a very strange move. the only thing that happens then would be black winning a pawn.
Rhf8 is probably the best move here. we don't really have many options.
If ...Rd5, c4 Rdd8 would white be able to pull off d5, which opens up the position to his advantage? we should be careful of this.
30 Apr 05
Originally posted by Samdoggpassive? it helps to strengthen our position. after this move we can finally think of something offensive, probably.
I think Rhf8 is too passive. Give a good game with rook d5.
And I don't think you give "a good game" with Rd5. It is dangerous, especially against an opponent like IM. The odds for us losing will be bigger.
30 Apr 05
Originally posted by schakuhrAlright my mistake, but we can still protect the f pawn with the other rook. I think the rook would be fine on the a file because it has pawns behind it to protect it.
passive? it helps to strengthen our position. after this move we can finally think of something offensive, probably.
And I don't think you give "a good game" with Rd5. It is dangerous, especially against an opponent like IM. The odds for us losing will be bigger.
30 Apr 05
For those interested, I challenged IM to a setpiece game from move 14 in this game, where I played 14. Qb4. You can see how it turned out...
Game 1014055
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30 Apr 05
Originally posted by RagnorakThat d5 pawn push probably deserves two exclaimation marks. It really tore Black's position apart. We should watch for that in our present game.
For those interested, I challenged IM to a setpiece game from move 14 in this game, where I played 14. Qb4. You can see how it turned out...
Game 1014055
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02 May 05
Originally posted by buffalobillHere are some games to have a look at...
It still can. That humble little pawn is just biding its chance. I think it's the keystone to the game.
Game 783257
[Event "West End op"]
[Site "Italy"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Zelcic,Robert"]
[Black "Piro,Valerio"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "B19"]
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.h4 h6 7.h5 Bh7 8.Nf3 Nd7
9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 Qc7 11.Rh4 e6 12.Bf4 Bd6 13.Bxd6 Qxd6 14.Ne4 Qe7 15.0-0-0 Ngf6 16.Nxf6+ Nxf6
17.Ne5 0-0-0 18.Rf4 Rhf8 19.Qf3 Kb8 20.Rd3 c5 21.Nc6+ 1-0
[Event "Vienna op"]
[Site "Vienna"]
[Date "1996.08.??"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Glek,Igor V"]
[Black "Hertan,Charles E"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "B19"]
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.h4 h6 7.Nf3 Nd7 8.h5 Bh7
9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 Qc7 11.Rh4 e6 12.Bf4 Bd6 13.Bxd6 Qxd6 14.Ne4 Qe7 15.0-0-0 Ngf6 16.Nxf6+ Nxf6
17.Ne5 0-0-0 18.Rf4 Kb8 19.Qf3 Rhf8 20.Rd3 Qc7 21.a3 a6 22.Kb1 Ka7 23.g4 Kb8 24.Rxf6 gxf6
25.Qxf6 Rh8 26.Qxf7 Rhf8 27.Qxe6 Rd6 28.Qc4 Rxf2 29.Rb3 Rd2 30.Qxa6 R2xd4 31.Nc4 R6d5 32.Ne3 Re5
33.Qf1 Qe7 34.Qf3 Rde4 35.Nf5 Qe6 36.Qg3 Qc4 37.Qf2 Rxg4 38.Rxb7+ Kxb7 39.Nd6+ Ka6 40.Nxc4 Rxc4
41.Qf1 1-0
[Event "Ruhrgebiet VL2 9899"]
[Site "Ruhrgebiet"]
[Date "1998.??.??"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Stillger,Bernhard"]
[Black "Schroeder,Wilfried"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "B19"]
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.h4 h6 7.Nf3 Nd7 8.h5 Bh7
9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 Qc7 11.Rh4 e6 12.Bf4 Bd6 13.Bxd6 Qxd6 14.Ne4 Qe7 15.0-0-0 Ngf6 16.Nxf6+ Nxf6
17.Ne5 0-0-0 18.Rf4 Rhf8 19.Qf3 Qc7 20.Rd3 Qa5 21.a3 Qd5 22.g4 Qxf3 23.Rdxf3 Rde8 24.Rxf6 gxf6
25.Rxf6 Kd8 26.Kd2 Ke7 27.Rxh6 Rh8 28.Rxh8 Rxh8 29.Ke3 Kf8 30.f4 Kg7 31.c3 f5 32.Kf3 fxg4+
33.Kxg4 Kf6 34.Nf3 Re8 35.Ng5 Kg7 36.b4 Re7 37.a4 Kh6 38.a5 a6 39.Ne4 Rg7+ 40.Ng5 Re7
41.Kh4 Kg7 42.Ne4 Kh6 43.Nf2 Rf7 44.Ng4+ Kh7 45.Kg3 Rf5 46.Kf3 Kg7 47.h6+ Kg6 48.Ke4 Rh5
49.Ne5+ Kxh6 50.Nf7+ Kg6 51.Nd8 Kf6 52.Nxb7 Rh3 53.Nc5 Rxc3 54.Nxa6 Rb3 55.Nb8 Rxb4 56.Nxc6 Ra4
57.Ne5 Rxa5 58.Ng4+ Ke7 59.Ne3 Ra1 60.f5 Re1 61.fxe6 Kxe6 62.Kd3 Rc1 63.Ke4 Rh1 64.Kd3 Rh3
65.Ke4 Rh4+ 66.Kd3 Rf4 67.Kc3 Rf8 68.Kd3 Kd6 69.Ke4 Re8+ 70.Kd3 1/2
Having read through all the analysis on here, Rhf8 seems to be the only reasonable move to me, followed by 19. Qf3. 19 ...Nd5 looks good then. I thought 18 ...Kb8 looked good but schakuhr showed its not the best.
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03 May 05
Originally posted by buffalobillcould be although ragnoraks game was very different with king side castling. we have huge control over d5 in this game.
It still can. That humble little pawn is just biding its chance. I think it's the keystone to the game.
would a new thread be a good idea for convenience?