The Eternal Son of God

@secondson said
It is quite clear divegeester disagrees with the scriptures. At the very least he believes heretical teachings. That much he makes perfectly clear.

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and ...[text shortened]... istian posters, I think it's safe to say he is reprobate concerning the truth and Christian conduct.

Divegeester writes:

‘Sonship’ is a temporary position held by the Almighty in order to redeem his people.

He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be God to Him and he will be a son to Me." (Rev. 21:7)

" ... for the Lord God will shine upon them; and they will reign FOREVER AND EVER." (Rev. 22:5b)

It is difficult to give an adequate definition of sonship. Sonship involves life, maturity, position, and privilege. To be a son of the Father, we need to have the Father's life. However, we must go on to mature in this life. Life and maturity give us the right, the privilege, the position, to inherit the things of the Father. According to the New Testament, sonship includes life, maturity, position, and right.

SONSHIP
—THE FOCAL POINT OF GOD'S ECONOMY
In verses 4 and 5 Paul goes on to say, “But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, come of a woman, come under law, that He might redeem those under law, that we might receive the sonship.” The fullness of time in verse 4 denotes the completion of the Old Testament time, which occurred at the time appointed of the Father (v. 2). In this verse Paul describes the Son as “come of a woman, come under law.” The woman is, of course, the virgin Mary (Luke 1:27-35). The Son of God came of her to be the seed of woman, as promised in Genesis 3:15. Furthermore, Christ was born under law, as revealed in Luke 2:21-24, 27, and He kept the law, as the four Gospels reveal.

God's chosen people were shut up by law under its custody (3:23). Christ was born under law in order to redeem them from its custody that they might receive the sonship and become the sons of God. Hence, they should not return to the custody of law to be under its slavery as the Galatians had been seduced to do, but should remain in the sonship of God to enjoy the life supply of the Spirit in Christ. According to the entire revelation of the New Testament, God's economy is to produce sons. Sonship is the focal point of God's economy, God's dispensation. God's economy is the dispensation of Himself into His chosen people to make them His sons. Christ's redemption is to bring us into the sonship of God that we may enjoy the divine life. It is not God's economy to make us keepers of law, obeying the commandments and ordinances of the law, which was given only for a temporary purpose. God's economy is to make us sons of God, inheriting the blessing of God's promise, which was given for His eternal purpose. His eternal purpose is to have many sons for His corporate expression (Heb. 2:10; Rom. 8:29). Hence, He predestinated us unto sonship (Eph. 1:5) and regenerated us to be His sons (John 1:12-13). We should remain in His sonship that we may become His heirs to inherit all He has planned for His eternal expression, and should not be distracted to Judaism by the appreciation of law.

From Life Study of Ephesians by Witness Lee
My bolding, My spacing

C. In the Position of the Son of God

Not only do we have the Spirit of the Son of God and the life of the Son of God, but we are also in the position of the Son of God (John 20:17).

Actually, sonship is more specifically related to position than it is to life. You may be a son born of your father, but for certain legal reasons, you may not have the position of a son. If you do not have the position of a son, you do not have the sonship. Thus, sonship is a legal matter. For example, a certain person may not actually have been born the son of a rich man. But if, legally speaking, he has the position of being that man's son, he will be entitled to his inheritance. The inheritance belongs to him, not according to life, but according to position. Some genuine sons, however, may have the life of the father, but have lost the position of sonship. This illustrates the fact that the life of the son of God is related only to life but that the position of the son of God is a matter of legality. Hallelujah, we have the Spirit of the Son of God, the life of the Son of God, and also the position of the Son of God.

All this is for our inheritance. Because we are God's sons with the sonship, we shall inherit all that God is and all that He has. We have the legal position to inherit all the riches of the Father. In the church life we enjoy the Father day by day.

Today this may simply be a matter of life, but in the future it will also be a matter of position. Revelation 21:7 says, “He who overcomes shall inherit these things, and I will be God to him, and he shall be a son to Me.” In this verse being a son and inheriting all these things is not merely a matter of life, but also a matter of position.

Although we are sons of God in life today, the universe cannot yet see that we are sons of God in position. But when the New Jerusalem comes, the universe will know that we are the sons of God in position as well as in life. If I walk into a restaurant and proclaim to the people sitting there that I am a son of God, they will think that I have a mental problem. But when the New Jerusalem comes, there will be no need for us to say anything. Everyone will be able to see that we are the sons of God in position. All the angels will say, “Look at those people—they are the sons of God. They are enjoying God and inheriting all that God is in the New Jerusalem.”

The church today is a miniature of the New Jerusalem. Here in the church we are sons of God both in life and in position. There is no need for us to tell one another that we are sons of God, for we all recognize one another as God's sons. Because we have the Spirit, the life, and the position, we understand one another and recognize one another. We confess that we all are sons of God. Although we have the Spirit, the life, and the position to be the sons of God, we are not yet holy as far as our disposition is concerned. Hence, in the church life God is constantly mixing us so that we might be sanctified by being mingled with His nature.

@divegeester

What point do you think you are scoring when you neglect substance to remark on people's emotions ?

We can't see people's emotions that much. We SEE more clearly the substance of interpretations. How you imagine my emotional state is not that important to the analysis of validity or weakness of these interpretations.

Is there some critical benefit to your argument because of someone's emotional state, real or imagined?

However you seem to be very upset by something and allowing your emotions to get the better of you again.

@sonship said
Is there some critical benefit to your argument because of someone's emotional state, real or imagined?

@FMF

KellyJay has suggested that you have tried to smear divegeester as a "heretic" because you are "getting personal and emotions are riding high".

@sonship said
He has that right to think that.
So what ?

@sonship said
We're mainly talking about if or if not the Son of God is an eternal matter.

@fmf said
Is this why you think sonship has branded divegeester a "heretic"? Do you think it was because sonship was "getting personal and emotions [were] riding high"? Be clear.

@sonship said
Divegeester writes:

‘Sonship’ is a temporary position held by the Almighty in order to redeem his people.

Some translations render that word "adoption". Literally it means the place of a son. And I think it is usually applied in the New Testament to the regenerated believers who are born of God with His life.

Here the word sonship is appli ...[text shortened]... b] Life Study of Galatians [/b]

https://www.ministrybooks.org/SearchMinBooksDsp.cfm?id=0515DC29D1

@sonship said
@divegeester

What point do you think you are scoring when you neglect substance to remark on people's emotions ?

We can't see people's emotions that much. We SEE more clearly the substance of interpretations. How you imagine my emotional state is not that important to the analysis of validity or weakness of these interpretations.

Is there some critical benefit to your argument because of someone's emotional state, real or imagined?

@sonship said
Do you realize that these verses pertain to a time AFTER the Son has delivered up the kingdom to His God and Father ?

@kellyjay said
Ask sonship, he is the one doing the judging not me.

@fmf said
KellyJay has suggested that you have tried to smear divegeester as a "heretic" because you are "getting personal and emotions are riding high".