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@sonship saidBig bang, big crunch, big bang, big crunch, big bang, big crunch,.....
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I agree that there are some things a finite mind can't comprehend, for instance, that we live in an infinite and uncreated universe.
How come then it hasn't worn down to black, cold, ashes drifting apart in the black infinite of space yet? I mean long since run down, dissipated, dissolved, disordered and burn out according to the scientific second law of thermodynamics?
You do not believe in the second law of thermodynamics ?
Edit: Curious how Secondson and I both agree that some things are beyond the understanding of our finite minds. I am told therefore not to try and understand how God is 3 personages, and yet when I say the universe is uncreated Sonship expects a detailed explanation,....Does Sonship believe I possess an infinite mind?!
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@sonship saidIt was one short post, nothing laboured about it.
@divegeester
Here is something to consider:
Here is something to consider. I read your labored on explanation with respect. I did not dismiss it as "hairdyer". I did not dismiss it as "waffle".
You frequently make 6 or 7 lengthy posts consecutively and without opportunity to reply. It comes across as sheer vanity, and in effect it is just spamming the thread to stifle dissent.
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It was one short post, nothing laboured about it.
You mean that you didn't choose your words with care?
You mean you were super casual rattling off expanations?
So be it.
And a Christian can teach heresy. And a saved person may teach so as to practically be a heretic.
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Divegeester,
By the way, concerning your OLD criticism about creatures on or in other worlds ?
The Greek word kosmos is also translated AGES. So to speak of lives in other "worlds" could also be understood as lives in other AGES.
"Other worlds" does not insist on other planets when the word kosmos is used.
But not being too successful in defending a temporary office of Son of God, I might understand why you need to bring out again your favorite accusations from many years ago.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou have it backwards, we live in a created infinite universe, please figure that out.
I agree that there are some things a finite mind can't comprehend, for instance, that we live in an infinite and uncreated universe.
Don't try to figure it out.
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Big bang, big crunch, big bang, big crunch, big bang, big crunch,.....
Steady state and oscillating universe has kind of been passed up. These theories use to be more popular.
The Borde-Guth-Vilenkin theorems for now argue that ANY expanding universe or multiverse of any kind has to have had a beginning.
Of course you may go against the trend and just have a kind of "faith"
in an eternally past existing universe. But you should just call it what it is ( your metaphysical or religious belief ) and not pretend that the concept is established scientific fact.
Edit: Curious how Secondson and I both agree that some things are beyond the understanding of our finite minds.
It is not too unusual to admit this. Why we do not even completely understand ourselves, let alone God.
I am told therefore not to try and understand how God is 3 personages, and yet when I say the universe is uncreated Sonship expects a detailed explanation,....Does Sonship believe I possess an infinite mind?!
Both our minds are finite.
If you want to hold on to Steady State or a bouncing inflationary universe, you may. At the present time these theories I think have had their stronger followings in the past.
The GDV theorems are more accepted today. This may change in the future as science theories do change. But these scientists have argued that ANY universe or any ensemble of universes (multiverse) which are expanding must have had a singularity as a beginning.
It is not hard for me to imagine "In the beginning God created ..." (Gen. 1:1) .
Science itself seems to argue that the material universe was not eternal.
29 Dec 18
@kellyjay saidThis will stun the astronomers, cosmologists and astro-physicists!
we live in a created infinite universe,
Please publish your paper asap.
29 Dec 18
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWe have started conversations like this before, you typically disappear when we
I am open sir to your evidence.
Procede...
discuss things like a single God of scripture, the trinity, and so on.
30 Dec 18
@divegeester saidWhy don't you drink some more. You're almost not making any sense at all.
SecondJosephw just really really holes I’m going to hell because I deserve it.
30 Dec 18
@ghost-of-a-duke saidJust look around. The evidence is obvious.
I am open sir to your evidence.
Procede...
30 Dec 18
@divegeester saidThat statement is absolutely nonsensical and unbiblical.
Whereas God and his actual begotten son who is a different person to him plus a spirit who is also another person talking to each other when they are actually one person is completely intuitive.
30 Dec 18
@ghost-of-a-duke saidOf course you realize you're merely tossing the dice.
I agree that there are some things a finite mind can't comprehend, for instance, that we live in an infinite and uncreated universe.
Don't try to figure it out.
Reason dictates everything has a cause.
You are mistaken, the universe isn't infinite.
30 Dec 18
@divegeester saidReprobate.
‘Sonship’ is a temporary position held by the Almighty in order to redeem his people. Your superficial reading and understanding of Isaiah 44 and Rev 22 not withstanding.