The god who burns people alive for eternity

@divegeester said
If the debt for all of the sins from the entire human race since the beginning of time was paid at Calvary, then what is hell for?

For those who reject God's forgiveness and salvation through Jesus Christ.

Jesus paid the debt, but if one refuses the gift what is God to do?

You can't keep pushing this idea of universalism in the face of the logic of God's grace, which if refused lands one squarely in the realm of judgment, which is clearly taught in scripture.

To make judgment and punishment a fairytale and a myth, or even a misinterpretation, is intellectual and spiritual folly in the extreme.

@thinkofone said
With the Bible being what it is, there's no choice for anyone other than to pick which parts they want to believe.

Many, like you, lack to integrity to acknowledge this fact.

There's no integrity in acknowledging a lie and accepting it as truth.

I suppose you think that with "the Bible being what it is" you can toss out the verse that says, "...let God be true, but every man a liar:.."

God has preserved His Word, and not one jot or tittle will pass away. Jesus said so. That makes you a liar for saying otherwise.

@rajk999 said
Did Rahab the harlot know anything about Jesus?

@kellyjay said
So tell me about Jesus, you don't think he died for our sins?

To which Rajk replied:
"Did Rahab the harlot know anything about Jesus?"

Come on people! Does that not reveal some kind of cognitive disconnect? What possible connection is there between KJ's question posed to ToO and Rajk's answer to it?

Dissonance anyone?

@secondson said
For those who reject God's forgiveness and salvation through Jesus Christ.

Jesus paid the debt, but if one refuses the gift what is God to do?

You can't keep pushing this idea of universalism in the face of the logic of God's grace, which if refused lands one squarely in the realm of judgment, which is clearly taught in scripture.

To make judgment and punishment a ...[text shortened]... irytale and a myth, or even a misinterpretation, is intellectual and spiritual folly in the extreme.

Sigh...

In my OP I ask a simple question, I throw out a simple challenge...

The literal interpretation of Revelation tells us that Jesus, your version on Jesus, will be in hell overseeing the eternal punishment of people.

Do you deny this interpretation or not...?

@divegeester said
Why did Santiago have to be transferred off the base...?

I can’t believe no one got a laugh from this...

@divegeester said
I can’t believe no one got a laugh from this...

You can't handle the truth.

@secondson said
@kellyjay said
So tell me about Jesus, you don't think he died for our sins?

To which Rajk replied:
"Did Rahab the harlot know anything about Jesus?"

Come on people! Does that not reveal some kind of cognitive disconnect? What possible connection is there between KJ's question posed to ToO and Rajk's answer to it?

Dissonance anyone?

Your church doctrine preaches that people need to KNOW about the death and resurrection of Christ in order to be saved and to get eternal life in the Kingdom of God. You will find that there is no such doctrine preached by Christ and that there are many who are considered righteous and their eternal life is assured who do not know of Christ. Rahab the harlot is one of them. Not everyone knows about Christ and neither is it a requirement for eternal life. Clearly you have failed to understand what Jesus preached. Go fix your own cognitive disconnect issues.

So far just about all of your church doctrines are at odds with Christ.

@secondson said
"The dead" are resurrected to judgment, not life. Ijit.

The word 'resurrected' means to restore to life, moron.

@secondson said
For those who reject God's forgiveness and salvation through Jesus Christ.

Jesus paid the debt, but if one refuses the gift what is God to do?

You can't keep pushing this idea of universalism in the face of the logic of God's grace, which if refused lands one squarely in the realm of judgment, which is clearly taught in scripture.

To make judgment and punishment a ...[text shortened]... irytale and a myth, or even a misinterpretation, is intellectual and spiritual folly in the extreme.

In my OP I ask a simple question, I throw out a simple challenge...

The literal interpretation of Revelation tells us that Jesus, your version on Jesus, will be in hell overseeing the eternal punishment of people.

Do you deny this interpretation or not...?

@secondson said
Too bad you never really learned how to read and understand the Bible divegeester. Probably because you never gave it much time and thought.

Romans 3:22,23
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

That Je ...[text shortened]... b] them that believe".

If one doesn't believe it, they die in their sins.

Wake up knucklehead.

In my OP I ask a simple question, I throw out a simple challenge...

The literal interpretation of Revelation tells us that Jesus, your version on Jesus, will be in hell overseeing the eternal punishment of people.

Do you deny this interpretation or not...?

@secondson said
Ones belief isn't evidence of anything. The fact that one believes is only an expression of faith.

The "evidence" is in everything that exists objectively around you.

I don't believe that "everything that exists" is credible evidence to support your specific religious beliefs.

@secondson said
But in my opinion I think agonizing physical pain would be a relief from the spiritual torment of knowing that all is lost and that there is no hope left at all forever and ever.

Do you actually believe that the neverending agonizing physical pain would offer some relief from the feeling of hopelessness?

@divegeester said
Why did Santiago have to be transferred off the base...?

That better not be a spoiler.

@fmf said
Do you actually believe that the neverending agonizing physical pain would offer some relief from the feeling of hopelessness?

It’s such utter nonsense isn’t it.

KellyJay also said earlier in the thread that the worst thing about Hell was something about knowing one is lost, rather than having your flesh burnt off of you while Jesus watched.

@rajk999 said
Your church doctrine preaches that people need to KNOW about the death and resurrection of Christ in order to be saved and to get eternal life in the Kingdom of God. You will find that there is no such doctrine preached by Christ and that there are many who are considered righteous and their eternal life is assured who do not know of Christ. Rahab the harlot is one of them. ...[text shortened]... nitive disconnect issues.

So far just about all of your church doctrines are at odds with Christ.

Actually one of main the reasons Jesus came to earth as one of us was to save us our sins. The doctrine is throughout the whole Bible, not just the red letters, but you have to read the whole Bible and take it all as the Word of God. God created a very good universe that went bad fast, but God lays down His life for us by becoming a man and giving us the perfect sacrifice for our sins while we were yet sinners enemies of God. It is the love of God to reach out to us to call us unto Him because our sinful hearts are at odds with Him. While we are walking in our sinful nature (the flesh) we can never please God, He makes away. He defeated death by dying for us, He defeated Satan by allowing Satan to take His best shot, and He calls us while we were yet sinners to Him. He is love, not just loving so He will never force any to Him, if we don't want to come we don't. If we will come to Him, we will not be rejected.

KJV
Revelation 13:
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If any man have an ear, let him hear.

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Luke 19:10
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Matthew 18:11
For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.