The god who burns people alive for eternity

@rajk999 said
Your church doctrine preaches that people need to KNOW about the death and resurrection of Christ in order to be saved and to get eternal life in the Kingdom of God. You will find that there is no such doctrine preached by Christ and that there are many who are considered righteous and their eternal life is assured who do not know of Christ. Rahab the harlot is one of them. ...[text shortened]... nitive disconnect issues.

So far just about all of your church doctrines are at odds with Christ.

God knew of our needs before the world began, and He acted for our sake.

1 Peter 1:20

New International Version
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

New Living Translation
God chose him as your ransom long before the world began, but now in these last days he has been revealed for your sake.

English Standard Version
He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you

Berean Study Bible
He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake.

Berean Literal Bible
having been foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but having been revealed in the last times for the sake of you,

New American Standard Bible
For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you

New King James Version
He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you

King James Bible
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Christian Standard Bible
He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was revealed in these last times for you.

Contemporary English Version
Christ was chosen even before the world was created, but because of you, he did not come until these last days.

Good News Translation
He had been chosen by God before the creation of the world and was revealed in these last days for your sake.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He was chosen before the foundation of the world but was revealed at the end of the times for you

International Standard Version
On the one hand, he was foreknown before the creation of the world, but on the other hand, he was revealed at the end of time for your sake.

NET Bible
He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was manifested in these last times for your sake.

New Heart English Bible
who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
He was appointed beforehand to this before the foundation of the world and was manifested at the end of times for you;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He is the lamb who was known long ago before the world existed, but for your good he became publicly known in the last period of time.

New American Standard 1977
For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you

Jubilee Bible 2000
already ordained from before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for love of you,

King James 2000 Bible
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

American King James Version
Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

American Standard Version
who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was manifested at the end of times for your sake,

Douay-Rheims Bible
Foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but manifested in the last times for you,

Darby Bible Translation
foreknown indeed before [the] foundation of [the] world, but who has been manifested at the end of times for your sakes,

English Revised Version
who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was manifested at the end of the times for your sake,

Webster's Bible Translation
Who verily was fore-ordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifested in these last times for you,

Weymouth New Testament
He was pre-destined indeed to this work, even before the creation of the world, but has been plainly manifested in these last days for the sake of you who, through Him,

World English Bible
who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was revealed at the end of times for your sake,

Young's Literal Translation
foreknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, and manifested in the last times because of you,

@kellyjay said
God knew of our needs before the world began, and He acted for our sake.

1 Peter 1:20

New International Version
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

New Living Translation
God chose him as your ransom long before the world began, but now in these last days he has been revealed for your sake.

English ...[text shortened]... eknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, and manifested in the last times because of you,

Competing with sonship now for the blabbermouth prize.
You lack substance
You post off the point.
You are irrelevant.

@rajk999 said
Competing with sonship now for the blabbermouth prize.
You lack substance
You post off the point.
You are irrelevant.

How can you reasonably expect KJ to post on point when he so rarely understands the point? Stop being unreasonable.

@thinkofone said
How can you reasonably expect KJ to post on point when he so rarely understands the point? Stop being unreasonable.

This another of your not personal statements?

@rajk999 said
Competing with sonship now for the blabbermouth prize.
You lack substance
You post off the point.
You are irrelevant.

It’s the Word that matters not our opinions, and where we come up with doctrine that doesn’t agree with the whole Bible we need to adjust our doctrine, not ignore those parts we dislike we don’t agree with.

@kellyjay said
This another of your not personal statements?

If you'd understood the point of my posts on the other thread, you'd know that the point wasn't that they were "not personal statements". Never said that they were "not personal statements". The point was that they are the truth. The truth about you.

But you did not understand the point. That was the point here.

@thinkofone said
If you'd understood the point of my posts on the other thread, you'd know that the point wasn't that they were "not personal statements". Never said that they were "not personal statements". The point was that they are the truth. The truth about you.

But you did not understand the point. That was the point here.

Definitions change to suit you, nothing personal, when I say things about you its the truth about you.

@kellyjay said
It’s the Word that matters not our opinions, and where we come up with doctrine that doesn’t agree with the whole Bible we need to adjust our doctrine, not ignore those parts we dislike we don’t agree with.

Jesus is
The Way
The Truth
The Life
I understand Jesus.

You dont, and you are heading to damnation.

@rajk999 said
Jesus is
The Way
The Truth
The Life
I understand Jesus.

You dont, and you are heading to damnation.

Ezekiel 33
17“Yet your people say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But it is their way that is not just. 18 If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and does evil, they will die for it. 19 And if a wicked person turns away from their wickedness and does what is just and right, they will live by doing so. 20 Yet you Israelites say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But I will judge each of you according to your own ways.”

Matthew 21
32“For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even feel remorse afterward so as to believe him.


Matthew 7
13“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14“For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25“And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”

@rajk999 said
Jesus is
The Way
The Truth
The Life
I understand Jesus.

You dont, and you are heading to damnation.

Jesus is the Way, Truth, and Life I believe that to be the truth. The rest of your statement is more about how you view yourself and others than Jesus.

@kellyjay said
It’s the Word that matters not our opinions, and where we come up with doctrine that doesn’t agree with the whole Bible we need to adjust our doctrine, not ignore those parts we dislike we don’t agree with.

You keep saying this in various threads as if the saying of it makes your opinions on scripture, the truth. It doesn’t, your opinions are just your opinions.

@kellyjay said
Jesus is the Way, Truth, and Life I believe that to be the truth.

You claim that the entirety of Revelation is literal. So when Revelation describes your version of Jesus as being in hell overseeing the eternal burning alive of groups of people...is the the “Way” the “Truth” or the “Life” being demonstrated?

In your “opinion”.

@divegeester said
You claim that the entirety of Revelation is literal. So when Revelation describes your version of Jesus as being in hell overseeing the eternal burning alive of groups of people...is the the “Way” the “Truth” or the “Life” being demonstrated?

In your “opinion”.

Is justice good or bad?

@philokalia said
Is justice good or bad?

If it’s sonship’s claimed “perfect justice” of burning people alive for eternity then it’s bad.

If it’s sonship’s claimed “perfect justice” of burning people alive for eternity then it’s bad.

My claim is that John saw the dead standing to be judged and that if anyone's name was not recorded in the book of life he was thrown into the lake of fire - the second death.

It is not living forever. It is called the second DEATH.
Incidently, I concede that Revelation 20:5a did say -

The rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were completed. .

So physically it is right to say they are alive physically to face judgment in this resurrection. But the onus is on YOU to show that the damned are said to have "everlasting life".

Separated from God forever, they are "the dead". And they are the separated dead in the lake of fire perishing, forever. You show us that "everlasting life" or "eternal life" is applied anywhere in the Bible for those whose names are not written in the book of life.

You show that the lost are ever said to have eternal life such that God is "burning people alive for eternity."

And a more just judgment is not possible. But God knows all the facts. And we do not.

In that age my mind, attitude, thought will all be conformed to the image of the Firstborn Son of God. If I do not think exactly as Christ on this today, I will in eternity.

He died for all and He will send some to the second death.
I expect to be conformed to see everything through His eyes one day.

If I do not completely see it through His divine eyes today, I will see them through His divine eyes in eternity.

"Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers." (Rom. 8:29)