The god who burns people alive for eternity

@sonship said
@divegeester

“If anyone worships the beast . . . he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever”
Revelation 14:9–11

Where is the part that says they are ALIVE forever?

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It is “biblical”. Because you believe that this scriptu ...[text shortened]... lieve in the Lord and Savior Jesus for having your name for sure written in the Lamb's book of life.

@divegeester

So there is no such thing as “eternal suffering?

English Standard Version

But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!

Christian Standard Bible

Don't fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

@divegeester

Is the Lamb in hell overseeing the casting of non Christians into the lake of fire?

Yes or no?

"Where shall I go, away from Your Spirit,
And where shall I flee from Your presence?

If I ascend into heaven, You are there.
If I make my bed in Sheol, there You are." (Psalm 139:7,8)

Where shall I go, away from Your Spirit?
And where shall I flee from Your presence?

If I ascend into heaven, You are there.

[IF I be sent to make my bed in the lake of fire] You are there.

Going on in the Psalm -

If I take the wings of the dawn and settle at the limits of the sea, There also Your hand will lead me,
And Your right hand will take hold of me.

And if I say, Surely darkness will cover me, and the light around me will be night; Even the darkness is not dark to You,
And night shines like day; The darkness is like the light." (vs. 9-12)

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll; If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this scroll.

And if anyone takes away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and out of the holy city, which are written in this scroll." (Rev. 22:18.19)

"And another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,

He also shall drink of the wine of the fury of God, which is mixd undiluted in the cup of His wrath; and he shall be tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb.

And the smoke of their tormenting goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

Here is the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

You can always tell when sonship’s feathers are getting ruffled as you get 4 posts of bluster from him replying to your 1 concise laser focused and obviously bang on target post.

@divegeester

I break up long articles into smaller posts for readers who tire easily.

And when you begin to strut around like a bragging wrestler we all know that you're running on empty have nothing else to say for yourself.

@sonship said
@divegeester

Yes, it’s my interpretation of what you believe. I said as much in the OP, did you actually read it?

What makes you think I am obligated to accept your interpretation?
ToO's interpretation is an atheistic worldview with a Jesus who "walked the earth" we should imitate in a sentimental way.

I reject his interpretation.
I do not have to ...[text shortened]... not support.

Otherwise show "everlasting life" or eternal life applied to the lost.

@sonship said
@divegeester

I break up long articles into smaller posts for readers who tire easily.

And when you begin to strut around like a bragging wrestler we all know that you're running on empty have nothing else to say for yourself.

@kellyjay said
2 Thessalonians 1:6-8 English Standard Version (ESV)
since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

Cherry picking scriptures leaves a lot out that matters as many here do!

@divegeester said
Something other than:

After the conception and creation of the universe, the fall of man, the rise of mankind (people-kind if you are Canadian), the law and prophets, the captivity and exodus, the Kings, the empires, the birth of Christ, the gospel the lungless love and EVERLASTING mercy, the death and atonement, the pouring out of the spirit, the church ages, the retu ...[text shortened]... ll be personally overseeing the burning alive of billions of people because he failed and Satan won.

@philokalia said

And why is there such an obscure, cryptic meaning to them other than the obvious one that we have used to interpret them for literally thousands of years at this point?

@philokalia said
You have a lot to account for.

@divegeester

But I’m not the Christian claiming that a literal Jesus will be literally in Hell overseeing the burning alive of non Christians.

You are.

@sonship said
@divegeester
Work harder on your shaming techniques.

@divegeester said
But I’m not the Christian claiming that a literal Jesus will be literally in Hell overseeing the burning alive of non Christians.

You are.