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@sonship saidAccording to the literal interpretation of Revelation, your version of Jesus will be in Hell overseeing the eternal burning alive of non Christians.
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Reach for your cane and hat now and start dancing.
This is the point you need to address sonship.
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According to the literal interpretation of Revelation, your version of Jesus will be in Hell overseeing the eternal burning alive of non Christians.
This is the point you need to address sonship.
You are skirting the issue. We are not be DEPENDENT on only Revelation.
Before that you have Jesus saying not "Come With Me into the eternal fire" but "Go AWAY FROM ME" there.
1.) Is this Jesus teaching of your "immoral God" ?
2.) If you insist that Jesus and the angels ACCOMPANY them there forever, why does He say "Go away FROM Me ..." ?
Don't answer then ! Its not going to go away.
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@sonship saidHow can I be skirting the issue when this is my thread and this “issue” is the key topic of the OP and subsequent discussion.
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According to the literal interpretation of Revelation, your version of Jesus will be in Hell overseeing the eternal burning alive of non Christians.
This is the point you need to address sonship.
You are skirting the issue.
Is that scripture literal or not?
Simple question sonship, why is it so difficult for you...
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They're not alive forever. They exist in some state called "the second death".
As much as you would like to get mileage from portraying Jesus as standing around in the lake of fire forever gloating at the scene around Him, His seeing to their judgment does not require Him to be with them.
Now, that's all you're getting on that. Now justify the Father of the Lord Jesus is the immoral God.
And explain "Go away FROM Me, you who are cursed ..." .
No "Let's go down there together, you cursed ones".
On your mark!
Get set!
EVADE!
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@sonship saidSo the doctrine of “eternal” suffering is not eternal then?
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They're not alive forever. They exist in some state called "the second death".
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@sonship saidSo Revelation is NOT literal then?
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As much as you would like to get mileage from portraying Jesus as standing around in the lake of fire forever gloating at the scene around Him, His seeing to their judgment does not require Him to be with them.
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So the doctrine of “eternal” suffering is not eternal then?
What does Matt. 25:46 say? ... temporary or eternal?
What does Rev. 14:11 say?
So Revelation is NOT literal then?
So the next question you ask will be as stupid as the previous two ?
Revelation 1:1 does not make eternal damnation disappear for you.
And neither does it support your accusation of an "immoral God".
And an absolute false dichotomy between literal and allegorical does nothing for your "immoral God" theory who will not sentence some to "suffer the penalty of eternal destruction" (2 Thess. 1:9) .
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@sonship saidYour continued avoidance of giving straight answers to every question I’ve asked you in this thread is noted and with great satisfaction.So the doctrine of “eternal” suffering is not eternal then?
So Revelation is NOT literal then?
So the next question you ask will be as stupid as the previous two ?
Revelation 1:1 does not make eternal damnation disappear for you.
And neither does it support your accusation of an "immoral God".
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Your continued avoidance of giving straight answers to every question I’ve asked you in this thread is noted and with great satisfaction.
Observing your obsession and self delusion and rejection of the pure word of God is no cause of satisfaction to me. But it is noteworthy.
Daydream on.
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@sonship saidWe are over 1300 posts into this thread and you cannot unequivocally answer simple straightforward questions about your awful version of Jesus.
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Your continued avoidance of giving straight answers to every question I’ve asked you in this thread is noted and with great satisfaction.
Observing your obsession and self delusion and rejection of the pure word of God is no cause of satisfaction to me. But it is noteworthy.
Daydream on.
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We are over 1300 posts into this thread and you cannot unequivocally answer simple straightforward questions about your awful version of Jesus.
1,300 posts and you are still of the same opinion. The NT has an "immoral God". Real big deal.
Count the number of posts written before Matthew 25:46 or Revelation 14:10,11 or Second Thess. 1:9 disappears from the New Testament.
4,622?
5,989?
10,899 ??
Let us know.
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Sonship...
Is Revelation literal? Yes or No?
Is eternal suffering, eternal? Yes or No?
Is Jesus in Hell overseeing non Christians being cast into the lake of fire? Yes or No?
It gives me great satisfaction when you cannot answer these questions because it reaffirms to me that even the hardliners eternal torture promotors such as yourself, KellyJay and SecondSon are absolutely wrong.
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It gives me great satisfaction when you cannot answer these questions because it reaffirms to me that even the hardliners eternal torture promotors such as yourself, KellyJay and SecondSon are absolutely wrong.
Everyone knows that strawman arguments and accusations of the immoral God of the Bible gives you great satisfaction.
Everyone knows that believers of the word you call "promoters".
Now, how come Jesus didn't tell those goats "Come down with Me and join Me in the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" since you relish with affection your caricature that Jesus is standing in fire with them.
What it says though is "Go away from Me, you cursed into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.".
How come Jesus didn't say - " the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels AND ME and My angels " ??
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@sonship saidExplain how my arguments are a “straw man” - I’m quoting from the bible!
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Everyone knows that strawman arguments and accusations of the immoral God of the Bible gives you great satisfaction.
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@sonship saidHere again are the questions you are epically failing to answer;
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Everyone kn 't say - " the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels AND ME and My angels " ??
Is Revelation literal? Yes or No?
Is eternal suffering, eternal? Yes or No?
Is Jesus in Hell overseeing non Christians being cast into the lake of fire? Yes or No?