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Explain how my arguments are a “straw man” - I’m quoting from the bible!
Ie. Jesus is in hell forever with the punished ones because Revelation says they are punished in His presence.
STRAWMAN argument. Bogus!
Because there are allegories in the book of Revelation forever and ever is only to be believed if it is positive things, like "they shall reign forever and ever" . But if it is something you don't like like "tormented day and night forever and ever" fall back on "Allegories, Signs, symbolism".
Strawman. Bogus!
And the biggest phony argument of all - being answered and continued bragging in your imagination like you haven't been answered, while you count pages and posts. (Though strawman may not be the proper description).
Phony. Bogus!
Dive, what about passages like this?
Hell is not even mentioned, but the resurrection is mentioned:
John 5:
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
There is a resurrection; those who have done well will "rise to live," and thos ewho have done what is evil will rise only to be condemned...
Condemned to what?
Well, in Matthew 23:33 they talk about condemning again.
Condemnation to hell.
Matthew 23:33:
“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
It seems pretty clear here what they are talking about, right?
@philokalia saidWhen we distort God attributes we can misrepresent God in every way. If someone doesn’t look at God honesty we can hide the danger of ignoring the Holy God who has offered one and only one Way to God, Jesus Christ. We cannot say God loves you and ignore His hatred of evil, to the point no one sees what is hanging in the balance!
Dive, what about passages like this?
Hell is not even mentioned, but the resurrection is mentioned:
John 5:
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
Ther ...[text shortened]... e being condemned to hell?[/quote]
It seems pretty clear here what they are talking about, right?
@kellyjay saidDo you believe the "danger" you mention can turn someone into a believer?
When we distort God attributes we can misrepresent God in every way. If someone doesn’t look at God honesty we can hide the danger of ignoring the Holy God who has offered one and only one Way to God, Jesus Christ. We cannot say God loves you and ignore His hatred of evil, to the point no one sees what is hanging in the balance!
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So be it then, according to sonship Revelation and hell are allegories. and therefore there is not literal hell and no literal eternal suffering. I can agree with that outcome.
Don't say that you took the words right out of my mouth.
Take the words out of the mouth of Jesus - Luke 12:4,5
Don't twist, exaggerate, lie, substitute your own logic for mine, ignore other things I wrote and then brag that you took your words right out of my mouth.
Take the words right out of the mouth of Jesus - Matthew 25:41,46.
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@divegeester
What did I write about an allegory can be an allegory about something terrible as well as of something wonderful?
What did I write about the fulfillment of prophecy? I said what we are told may only be the tip of the iceberg. When the fulfillment occurs maybe MORE will be involved of which we were not told in the prophecy.
An actual brimstone lake of fire may be only the part we presently understand. The final fulfillment may be that and some. Study some prophecies that were fulfilled in the Bible.
I put NO trust in your logic that a lake of fire is improbable or impossible so nothing but annihilation should be expected of the lost. And I certainly put no trust in your accusation against God as immoral or Christ as sadistic, unjust, and unrighteous - not as good as divegeester.
I think your best bet is not to try to outsmart the word of God. I just say "Amen" to what God told us there.