The god who burns people alive for eternity

@divegeester

Explain how my arguments are a “straw man” - I’m quoting from the bible!

@sonship said
@divegeester
Because there are allegories in the book of Revelation

Dive, what about passages like this?

Hell is not even mentioned, but the resurrection is mentioned:

John 5:
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Matthew 23:33:
“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

@philokalia said
Dive, what about passages like this?

Hell is not even mentioned, but the resurrection is mentioned:

John 5:
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Ther ...[text shortened]... e being condemned to hell?[/quote]

It seems pretty clear here what they are talking about, right?

@kellyjay said
When we distort God attributes we can misrepresent God in every way. If someone doesn’t look at God honesty we can hide the danger of ignoring the Holy God who has offered one and only one Way to God, Jesus Christ. We cannot say God loves you and ignore His hatred of evil, to the point no one sees what is hanging in the balance!

@divegeester said

@sonship said
@divegeester
Because there are allegories in the book of Revelation

“Allegories”....?
allegory: “a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.”
So I ask you again sonship, these accounts of Hell in Revelation are NOT literal, they are “allegories”?
That’s what you said, right?

@philokalia said
Dive, what about passages like this?
Hell is not even mentioned, but the resurrection is mentioned:
John 5:
28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
It seems pretty clear here what they are talking about, right?

KellyJay SecondSon philokalia

Sonship has claimed that the book of Revelation contains “allegories”. (Although he seems to have done a runner since posting that). Therefore I say that he is admitting that Revelation is NOT literal and this is the nub of this whole debate.

KellyJay has famously claimed that it is ALL literal. So we already have two differing opinions on it.

Any further comment - literal, allegorical, metaphorical...?

@divegeester said

@sonship said
@divegeester
Because there are allegories in the book of Revelation

“Allegories”....?
allegory: “a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.”

So I ask you again sonship, these accounts of Hell in Revelation are NOT literal, they are “allegories”?

That’s what you said, right?

So be it then, according to sonship Revelation and hell are allegories. and therefore there is not literal hell and no literal eternal suffering. I can agree with that outcome.

KellyJay, SecondSon or philokalia, are any of you still in the game?

@divegeester

So be it then, according to sonship Revelation and hell are allegories. and therefore there is not literal hell and no literal eternal suffering. I can agree with that outcome.

@divegeester

What did I write about an allegory can be an allegory about something terrible as well as of something wonderful?

What did I write about the fulfillment of prophecy? I said what we are told may only be the tip of the iceberg. When the fulfillment occurs maybe MORE will be involved of which we were not told in the prophecy.

An actual brimstone lake of fire may be only the part we presently understand. The final fulfillment may be that and some. Study some prophecies that were fulfilled in the Bible.

I put NO trust in your logic that a lake of fire is improbable or impossible so nothing but annihilation should be expected of the lost. And I certainly put no trust in your accusation against God as immoral or Christ as sadistic, unjust, and unrighteous - not as good as divegeester.

I think your best bet is not to try to outsmart the word of God. I just say "Amen" to what God told us there.

@sonship said
@divegeester
Don't twist, exaggerate, lie, substitute your own logic for mine, ignore other things I wrote and then brag that you took your words right out of my mouth.

@sonship said
@divegeester
Because there are allegories in the book of Revelation

@sonship said
@divegeester

What did I write about an allegory can be an allegory about something terrible as well as of something wonderful?

What did I write about the fulfillment of prophecy? I said what we are told may only be the tip of the iceberg. When the fulfillment occurs maybe MORE will be involved of which we were not told in the prophecy.

An actual brimstone lake of ...[text shortened]... bet is not to try to outsmart the word of God. I just say "Amen" to what God told us there.

I wrote extensively about my views on hell back from lie page 10 to page 35.

How did I not answer that?

Or is it simply the case that you can't begin to account for the Bible passages that reference heaven and hell?