@philokalia saidWell, as I said..
Is justice good or bad?
If it’s sonship’s claimed “perfect justice” of burning people alive for eternity then it’s bad.
What we believe is justice is inferior to what God believes is justice in every conceivable situation, correct?
The Bible also gives us a clear idea of what is justice: heaven and hell.
Sadly, you have stated that you have no interest in discussing what these passages mean. You skirt around the problem. That sounds rude, sure, and I am sorry about that, but you are in a position where you should engage the topic. It's impossible to have a complete discussion.
@philokalia saidWho are you talking to (or should I say running away from)? do you not know how to use the “quote” button?
What we believe is justice is inferior to what God believes is justice in every conceivable situation, correct?
The Bible also gives us a clear idea of what is justice: heaven and hell.
Sadly, you have stated that you have no interest in discussing what these passages mean. You skirt around the problem. That sounds rude, sure, and I am sorry about that, but yo ...[text shortened]... are in a position where you should engage the topic. It's impossible to have a complete discussion.
@divegeester saidOh, haha, I thought the context was quite clear without a quotation and I am not running from anything. I was talking to you, of course!
Who are you talking to (or should I say running away from)? do you not know how to use the “quote” button?
Would you like to address my post?
@philokalia saidI cannot speak for what you or any other “we” believes.
What we believe is justice is inferior to what God believes is justice in every conceivable situation, correct?The Bible also gives us a clear idea of what is justice: heaven and hell.
Sadly, you have stated that you have no interest in discussing what these passages mean. You skirt around the problem. That sounds rude, sure, and I am sorry about that, but you are in a position where you should engage the topic. It's impossible to have a complete discussion.
Not sure what else there is to “address” in your post.
@divegeester saidWhat do the hell passages mean?
I cannot speak for what you or any other “we” believes.
Not sure what else there is to “address” in your post.
@philokalia saidSomething other than:
What do the hell passages mean?
After the conception and creation of the universe, the fall of man, the rise of mankind (people-kind if you are Canadian), the law and prophets, the captivity and exodus, the Kings, the empires, the birth of Christ, the gospel the lungless love and EVERLASTING mercy, the death and atonement, the pouring out of the spirit, the church ages, the return of Christ...
It does not mean that THIS Jesus, my Jesus, will be personally overseeing the burning alive of billions of people because he failed and Satan won.
It does not mean that THIS Jesus, my Jesus, will be personally overseeing the burning alive of billions of people because he failed and Satan won.
There are many instances of God judging negatively His enemies in the Bible. From Pharoah's army to Jericho to the Philistines to Nebuchadnezzar's army and other instances.
Are you suggesting that for all of these God should have turned away, been absent, and not overseen what He was doing ?
Or is "THIS Jesus, my Jesus" above not God ?
@sonship saidNo I’m not suggesting that.
@divegeester
It does not mean that THIS Jesus, my Jesus, will be personally overseeing the burning alive of billions of people because he failed and Satan won.
There are many instances of God judging negatively His enemies in the Bible. From Pharoah's army to Jericho to the Philistines to Nebuchadnezzar's army and other instances.
Are you suggesting that for all of these God should have turned away, been absent, and not overseen what He was doing ?
@sonship saidNo I am not arguing either of those points. If you are having difficulty understanding what I am saying I suggest reading my OP again. A few times maybe.
@divegeester
No I’m not suggesting that.
But aren't you arguing that in the case of Revelation 14:9-11 and the followers of the Antichrist, it is unthinkable that God should oversee their judgment ?
Or is Jesus Christ there ( "THIS Jesus, my Jesus" ) not God Alimighty ?
No I am not arguing either of those points. If you are having difficulty understanding what I am saying I suggest reading my OP again. A few times maybe.
Then if you are not arguing either of those arguments then what is wrong with -
"He also shall drink of the wine of the fury of God, which is mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath; and he shall be tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb." (v.10)
Why in this judgment you cannot believe God would oversee but in judgments of the past He oversaw ?
@sonship saidYes, I thought so. You need to go back and read my OP.
@divegeester
No I am not arguing either of those points. If you are having difficulty understanding what I am saying I suggest reading my OP again. A few times maybe.
Then if you are not arguing either of those arguments then what is wrong with -
[b]"He also shall drink of the wine of the fury of God, which is mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath ...[text shortened]... this judgment you cannot believe God would oversee but in judgments of the past He oversaw ?
Yes, I thought so. You need to go back and read my OP.
I could well say the same thing. In the past dozens of times I addressed your arguments. I could easily object even now, that you need to GO BACK and re-read some of those answers again, as well.
You're not the only one who can complain - Ie. "But GO BACK and read what I wrote AGAIN."
@sonship saidI don’t really know what you’re on about with these questions other than you seem to making them up as a sort of:
@divegeester
Yes, I thought so. You need to go back and read my OP.
I could well say the same thing. In the past dozens of times I addressed your arguments. I could easily object even now, that you need to GO BACK and re-read some of those answers again, as well.
You're not the only one who can complain - Ie. "But GO BACK and read what I wrote AGAIN."
“yes I get your point and I can’t argue with it but here’s a question I just thought of that makes it seem like I’m operation on another level to you”
You’ve not been able to disprove the assertion in my OP, nor have the rest of the hellish believing Christians in this thread.