@KellyJay
Apologies, I don't make a habit of pulling posts but am having problems with my connection and my first response made no sense.
The first point that you make is that we cannot earn salvation, and I totally agree with you ,it is through underserved kindness. I think that we agree?
I think that you are out though on the second part of your analysis. They way that I am reading this is that Jesus is saying "OK you may do many powerful works in my name, but if you don't keep God's commandments than all this outwardly showy stuff counts for nothing, as you are lawless".
So you can be as outwardly pias as you like, but if you are a saintly on the outside but in secret are sodomising choirboys, you are in trouble (sorry, extreme example but makes the point well).
@medullah saidBy their gospel these evil people will given eternal life. Yet these two jokers do not realise that their doctrine encourages sin, evil and mouth worship.
@KellyJay
Apologies, I don't make a habit of pulling posts but am having problems with my connection and my first response made no sense.
The first point that you make is that we cannot earn salvation, and I totally agree with you ,it is through underserved kindness. I think that we agree?
I think that you are out though on the second part of your analysis. They way ...[text shortened]... cret are sodomising choirboys, you are in trouble (sorry, extreme example but makes the point well).
@medullah saidI'm saying you must be born again; your life is now a living sacrifice for the Lord, which is our spiritual worship. There is no free ride to sin in this whatsoever; the closer we get to the Lord, the more we see sin in our lives. Our sanctification is by the Lord, not by our efforts; He is the author and finisher of our faith. If we are by our efforts having to be perfect, then God owes us; that will never be the case. He is a sovereign God; some think because they do this, or don't do that, God will accept them, think about that, really? It is by His grace; He calls us we respond; if we don't have God's Spirit, we don't belong to Him. Jesus said it was expedient that He goes away so the Holy Spirit would come. While here he was simply occupying His mortal body, He could one place at one time, while the Holy Spirit can be in all of us at once.
@KellyJay
Apologies, I don't make a habit of pulling posts but am having problems with my connection and my first response made no sense.
The first point that you make is that we cannot earn salvation, and I totally agree with you ,it is through underserved kindness. I think that we agree?
I think that you are out though on the second part of your analysis. They way ...[text shortened]... cret are sodomising choirboys, you are in trouble (sorry, extreme example but makes the point well).
Romans 12
A Living Sacrifice
I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
@medullah saidWe can honor him with our lips, and if our hearts are far from Him, don't you think He knows? Grace allows us to come to God; if all it was, was a get out of hell card, how selfish would we be to use Jesus for that? The top two commands are to love God and love each other; if we do anything else, we are not following Him. We can be fooled; He will never be, we can be tricked, He will never be, we can even fool ourselves, thinking we are on our own good enough, that would be delusional.
@KellyJay
Apologies, I don't make a habit of pulling posts but am having problems with my connection and my first response made no sense.
The first point that you make is that we cannot earn salvation, and I totally agree with you ,it is through underserved kindness. I think that we agree?
I think that you are out though on the second part of your analysis. They way ...[text shortened]... cret are sodomising choirboys, you are in trouble (sorry, extreme example but makes the point well).
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Faith without works is dead.
It isn’t a question of just believing in Christ. You have do as he tells you.
We have besides others, two men in the New Testament who pioneered in the experience of being followers of Christ. James was one and Paul was another.
Precious Brother James contributed one epistle to the NT canon.
Highly valued Brother Paul contributed some thirteen.
Both servants of Jesus Christ are appreciated.
God seemed to have used Paul to write more of the New Testament.
What James wrote is also the inspired Scriptures.
Paul pioneered the living in the realm of Christ by completely allowed the Spirit of Christ to saturate him, to sanctify him, to be each and everything he needed.
Christ furnished him with HIMSELF.
Christ was his history and every element of his living.
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And all this of Paul living through Christ, by Christ, with Christ, unto Christ, and in oneness with the living Christ was done by faith. His beginning was receiving Christ by faith. And his growing, maturing, developing and progressing were all done in faith.
He never graduated from having faith in Christ as the One he needed.
He wrote that as we believers initially RECEIVED Christ by faith we Christians should continue to WALK in the same way - in faith.
"As therefore you received the Christ, Jesus the Lord so walk in Him, having been rooted and being built up in Him, and being established in the faith even as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving." (Col. 2:6,7)
Paul PIONEERED in learning to take Christ for EVERYTHING, not just forgiveness or deliverance from God's wrath. But he learned and taught that we have to be rooted in this Person drawing up all our nourishment from Who He is and what He is. This is done by deeper and deeper levels of faith.
Here he says as much also:
"For I through the law have died to law that I might live to God. I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me." (Gal. 2:19-21)
You see it is even Christ's faith - "the faith of the Son of God".
By remaining in the exercise of putting FAITH in Christ to be EVERYTHING he needs, he says he does not "nullify the grace of God"
" I Live in faith, the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness is through law, then Christ has died for nothing." (vs. 20c,21)
The Gospel Message of Christ and the Apostles
The church Christians continue to miss the point and go completely astray. The Gospel message from Jesus Christ is about the believer and what the believer MUST DO, to get eternal life in the Kingdom of God
Here it is again
1. Faith and Baptism
2. Repentance from sin
3. Good works and righteous living [keeping the commandments]
4. The consequences of disobedience
This is what Jesus preached.
This is what Paul preached
This is what all the Disciples preached
This is what all the Apostles preached
This is the Gospel Message of the bible
Compare now 'The Church Christians Gospel' :
Jesus died for my sins
Im saved by Grace
Im justified by the blood of Christ
Jesus is my righteousness
Lord Lord, I love you
Im born again.
I have eternal life
I am redeemed
They preach nothing else.
The Church Gospel Message is all about what Jesus did, for people to get eternal life. There is nothing to tell the professed believer what they must do to get eternal life. This is all mouth worship, all in the Lord Lord category, and it is condemned by Jesus Christ. The end of that Church Gospel Message is damnation
There can be no other end result. Its like two students are given a scholarship. One student spends to entire year bragging about how he got free tuition, free books, he was financed by the college, given everything, someone saved him.... but did not do anything but talk about who saved him. The end result of that attitude is failure. The other student although grateful for the scholarship, made use of it by showing those who helped him that he was worthy and did his work and succeeded. This is how it is with the Gospel. Jesus wants people to DO, DOERS get eternal life. Talkers and hearers only, get cast out.
Churches who preach the wrong gospel of faith only are leading their congregation to failure and damnation because they are not focussing on what Jesus preached. Nothing that these two posters write are from the Gospel of Jesus Christ ... NOTHING .. They are completely lost.
@rajk999 saidOnce again, your opinion is just that your opinion; if you are going to compare truth to lies, you are required to at least put them next to one another, and you never do. You only tell everyone what you think about them and alter the meaning of many things others say to distort them. If you want to change minds, at least put up the truth instead of saying you don't agree; who cares that you agree or disagree, who cares what I agree or disagree about either. You cannot correct someone who doesn't know what a straight line is without showing them one. You talk significantly about the gospel of Jesus, but you never put it down so we can see it and compare it to what we have been sharing, there is only you saying someone is going against something it seems only you know. So all you do is express your opinion and do it in a hateful way. This also goes against the scriptures since the whole point of sharing the gospel is to be kind to one another, be very careful when correcting someone; at least, we get caught up in error.
The Gospel Message of Christ and the Apostles
The church Christians continue to miss the point and go completely astray. The Gospel message from Jesus Christ is about the believer and what the believer MUST DO, to get eternal life in the Kingdom of God
Here it is again
1. Faith and Baptism
2. Repentance from sin
3. Good works and righteous living [keeping ...[text shortened]... e two posters write are from the Gospel of Jesus Christ ... NOTHING .. They are completely lost.
@kellyjay saidYou are a liar and you have been posting lies over and over here for the last 8 years at least. So YES ... when confronted with persistent lies and chronic liars like you and sonship [Dumb and Dumber] I will post in what you call a hateful way. Both of you have done the very same to me. I hate lies just like God hates lies. You want the reference for that.
Once again, your opinion is just that your opinion; if you are going to compare truth to lies, you are required to at least put them next to one another, and you never do. You only tell everyone what you think about them and alter the meaning of many things others say to distort them. If you want to change minds, at least put up the truth instead of saying you don't agree; w ...[text shortened]... e kind to one another, be very careful when correcting someone; at least, we get caught up in error.
Whether or not you see the truth I really dont care. Im not here to convert you. You are nothing to me. Im here to show people that they should not listen to you and sonship, and instead read the teachings of Christ from the bible. The teaching and the Gospel of Christ is crystal clear and it is written in simple language.
If you say you do not understand the Gospel of Christ and what it is then you are again lying and you are deceitful, and you are misleading people by knowingly posting false doctrines.
@rajk999 saidYes, yes, yes, thank you for your opinion.
You are a liar and you have been posting lies over and over here for the last 8 years at least. So YES ... when confronted with persistent lies and chronic liars like you and sonship [Dumb and Dumber] I will post in what you call a hateful way. Both of you have done the very same to me. I hate lies just like God hates lies. You want the reference for that.
Whether or not ...[text shortened]... ain lying and you are deceitful, and you are misleading people by knowingly posting false doctrines.
@rajk999 saidYes, yes, yes, and thank you for your opinion. Not based on anything you can point to, as you again have no idea what church I go to, so you have no idea its doctrine. So out comes the spew, speaking again about things you cannot produce, only share what you think. You never produce the "gospel of Jesus," so we can look at the scriptures; you only claim it's somewhere in the scriptures without direct references and context; we are left with the only thing you ever offer, your opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
You are a lying piece of garbage. .... a false teacher trying to lead astray innocent people with your church gospel. You are going straight to hell.
@kellyjay saidYou really are a shameless man to say that you have no idea what Jesus preached regarding these core Gospel matters
Yes, yes, yes, and thank you for your opinion. Not based on anything you can point to, as you again have no idea what church I go to, so you have no idea its doctrine. So out comes the spew, speaking again about things you cannot produce, only share what you think. You never produce the "gospel of Jesus," so we can look at the scriptures; you only claim it's somewhere in the ...[text shortened]... d context; we are left with the only thing you ever offer, your opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
2. Repentance from sin
3. Good works and righteous living [keeping the commandments]
4. The consequences of disobedience
Shameless. You are living proof that your church gospel and teachings encourages lying and deceiving others.
@rajk999 saidWhen I share Biblical truths, I use the Bible; I don't pull a phrase out of thin air claim it is there without giving specific verses. The verses you typically use do talk about works of righteousness, and no one disputes that they are going to be found in the righteous; no one disputes we are told to do them; none of that is in dispute. Your claims that according to the Gospel of Christ, works are required to be made right with God, while it has been pointed out to you it is not by works are we saved, you fail to back up where there is a distinction between the scriptures are dynamically opposed to YOUR point of view. We do not do the works to earn our right to become children of God, we do them because He has given us that right. Without His Spirit in us we are just lost sinners, we can do good works, but those works don't make us right with God, only through the grace of God is that even possible and even then it is just barely.
You really are a shameless man to say that you have no idea what Jesus preached regarding these core Gospel matters
2. Repentance from sin
3. Good works and righteous living [keeping the commandments]
4. The consequences of disobedience
Shameless. You are living proof that your church gospel and teachings encourages lying and deceiving others.
@kellyjay saidBlah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, ... you stupid idiot
When I share Biblical truths, I use the Bible; I don't pull a phrase out of thin air claim it is there without giving specific verses. The verses you typically use do talk about works of righteousness, and no one disputes that they are going to be found in the righteous; no one disputes we are told to do them; none of that is in dispute. Your claims that according to the Gos ...[text shortened]... right with God, only through the grace of God is that even possible and even then it is just barely.