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@medullah saidI agree; this is where the rubber meets the road; are we doing things because we love and care for others, or are we doing them to score points to look good? Jesus warned us not to behave like those in His day to do their good works before men; we are to keep it real, not for the praise of men but God's eyes, not man's. God isn't interested in what we would do if we had more; what are we doing with what we have? The widow mite impressed Jesus much more than the wealthy putting in out of their abundance. The story Jesus told about the two people in the temple praying one was thanking God because of how righteous he was compared to a sinner who was staying in the back crying out, have mercy on me, a sinner. The one asking for mercy received it; the other walked away in what he trusted, his righteousness.
Yes I think that Jesus made that point that the law hung on these two principals
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@medullah saidThis in a nutshell is the Gospel of Christ, Paul, Peter, James, John and all the writers of the bible
Yes I think that Jesus made that point that the law hung on these two principals
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Matthew 22:37-40 KJV)
Yet churches have removed these critical elements and promoted a gospel of faith only, condemning good works, and this is all they speak of
- man is a filthy sinner
- Christians are saved by grace
- eternal life is a free gift
- Christians have eternal life already
Have you once ever seen a Christian around start a thread about the commandments of Christ, about doing good works?
21 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidEvery time it is said we are to love one another, that is what is being said. You will do good to those you love; you will see that needs are met; if they are struggling, you will help out. Kind words when hearts are breaking, being there when things go wrong. That is the authentic nature of love; it is action due to the needs, not action for action's sake.
This in a nutshell is the Gospel of Christ, Paul, Peter, James, John and all the writers of the bible
[i]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all ...[text shortened]... ver seen a Christian around start a thread about the commandments of Christ, about doing good works?
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@kellyjay saidYou really are clueless about the teachings of Christ. Your church must have removed Sermon on the Mount from your bibles. It is no wonder you are struggling to understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and what good works is all about. You are the polar opposite of Christ.
Every time it is said we are to love one another, that is what is being said. You will do good to those you love; you will see that needs are met; if they are struggling, you will help out. Kind words when hearts are breaking, being there when things go wrong. That is the authentic nature of love; it is action due to the needs, not action for action's sake.
You said : You will do good to those you love; ..
Jesus said the opposite : Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. (Luke 6:30-35 KJV)
Your doctrine is to show love to those you love.
Jesus said to show love to ALL PEOPLE.
Jesus refers to charity and brotherly love.
It must not only be shown to those you love
ALL PEOPLE
Clearly your church gospel does not include charity and good works
21 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidYou have no idea what you are talking about again; there is no distinction between people; we are not to treat one over the other they are all made in God's image; Jesus died for every one of us. That is the good news, not we have to work to acquire God's favor, we cannot earn it by our efforts, but He gives us grace. Grace is something we cannot work for to earn it, if we are working for it, then it isn't grace, it is an obligation for God to give us something we earned.
You really are clueless about the teachings of Christ. Your church must have removed Sermon on the Mount from your bibles. It is no wonder you are struggling to understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and what good works is all about. You are the polar opposite of Christ.
You said : You will do good to those you love; ..
Jesus said the opposite : [i] G ...[text shortened]... those you love
ALL PEOPLE
Clearly your church gospel does not include charity and good works[/b]
21 Nov 21
@kellyjay saidIm beginning to feel sorry for you. You must have mental issues. I have to apologise for all the mean things I said to you.... clearly you are retarded .. So Im sorry ...
You have no idea what you are talking about again; there is no distinction between people; we are not to treat one over the other they are all made in God's image; Jesus died for every one of us. That is the good news, not we have to work to acquire God's favor, we cannot earn it by our efforts, but He gives us grace. Grace is something we cannot work for to earn it, if we are working for it, then it isn't grace, it is an obligation for God to give us something we earned.
You said : You will do good to those you love; ..
Then I said Jesus said to show love to ALL people
Now you are saying - there is no distinction between people; we are not to treat one over the other...
You must be severely troubled and disturbed. ... because you are repeating what I said and saying I dont know what Im talking about. So go get the help you need.
21 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidPraying 🙏 for you.
Im beginning to feel sorry for you. You must have mental issues. I have to apologise for all the mean things I said to you.... clearly you are retarded .. So Im sorry ...
[i]You said : You will do good to those you love; ..
Then I said Jesus said to show love to ALL people
Now you are saying - there is no distinction between people; we are not to treat one ove ...[text shortened]... re repeating what I said and saying I dont know what Im talking about. So go get the help you need.
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@kellyjay saidOk but I have a feeling that since you have twisted and manipulated the Gospel of His Son Jesus, changed it, and preaching not to keep the commandments, God will consider that an evil act, and ignore you.
Praying 🙏 for you.
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.(1 Peter 3:12 KJV)
21 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidPlease, what scriptures are you referring to that I have changed to mean something other than what they say? How specifically do you read the scriptures that allow you to say I'm altering the gospel of Jesus? What text are you referring to?
Ok but I have a feeling that since you have twisted and manipulated the Gospel of His Son Jesus, changed it, and preaching not to keep the commandments, God will consider that an evil act, and ignore you.
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.(1 Peter 3:12 KJV)
21 Nov 21
@kellyjay saidYou are not capable of understanding if you still asking that.
Please, what scriptures are you referring to that I have changed to mean something other than what they say? How specifically do you read the scriptures that allow you to say I'm altering the gospel of Jesus? What text are you referring to?
In a nutshell the Gospel of Christ preaches that if you want etermal life you have to keep the commandments.
You preach another gospel.
21 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidSpecific text, something you can point to, your opinions are not important.
You are not capable of understanding if you still asking that.
In a nutshell the Gospel of Christ preaches that if you want etermal life you have to keep the commandments.
You preach another gospel.
21 Nov 21
Reading through the last few exchanges that have taken place I take away two things.
1) I am in agreement with Kelly over this point that it's about heart motivation, hence you can’t buy your way into salvation through heavy donations into the charity box; your love of your brother (that includes sister) must be from the heart.
2) That there has been corruption of the message as Raj says, but for me there is a bigger elephant in the room than the one that he has highlighted.
So I would be interested in your thoughts guys at the following proposition.
Jesus told us in John 13:35 that “By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves”; again at Mark 12:30 (already covered really) Jesus talks about the need to love thy brother.
My charge against the churches is the way that they give war the green light. How can you seriously say that you love your brother if you are either murdering him (isn’t that what war is legalised murder?) on a battlefield or dropping bombs on his/her home.
Questions -
What would be the scriptural standing of a person that claimed to be a Christian that bombed a fellow Christian’s home and killed them?
(Hint – I’m not interested in what governments say; would Jesus be OK with that, as after all he is the greater authority?)
Why would any such person NOT be blood guilty?
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@medullah saidYou are asking questions that only God will have the answer for. War is an inevitable part of life. There is such a thing as a just war or a holy war. God will determine if the war was justified or not.
Questions -
What would be the scriptural standing of a person that claimed to be a Christian that bombed a fellow Christian’s home and killed them?
(Hint – I’m not interested in what governments say; would Jesus be OK with that, as after all he is the greater authority?)
Why would any such person NOT be blood guilty?
Maybe it depends on what is the cause of contention and who is the aggressor. In any case the govt of a country cannot sit by and say, Jesus said not to kill and to make peace etc if another country is provoking a war, Of course peace is a first option but when that fails, war is inevitable.
Do you have a specific case in mind?
Do you think that the Jews should stop the war with the Palestinians?
21 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidIf the only place I can get the gospel of Jesus Christ is by what you say, then it isn't the gospel of Jesus Christ; it is the gospel according to rajk999. I have no problem looking at all of the text where Jesus is quoted, where Paul is quoted, where Peter is quoted, where Luke, Mark, and on and on are quoted; it is New Testament scripture. What YOU constantly do is fail in providing what you are talking about with specific scriptural references. Therefore it is impossible to judge between what I'm saying and the text of scripture; all I'm left with is your insistence that I'm doing it wrong, and your opinion without scriptural backup is just your opinion.
You are right. Its just an opinion that Jesus said keep the commandments otherwise there is no eternal life.