21 Nov 21
@kellyjay saidYou are correct again ... I have never quoted what Jesus said about keeping the commandments ...
If the only place I can get the gospel of Jesus Christ is by what you say, then it isn't the gospel of Jesus Christ; it is the gospel according to rajk999. I have no problem looking at all of the text where Jesus is quoted, where Paul is quoted, where Peter is quoted, where Luke, Mark, and on and on are quoted; it is New Testament scripture. What YOU constantly do is fail in ...[text shortened]... insistence that I'm doing it wrong, and your opinion without scriptural backup is just your opinion.
21 Nov 21
@medullah saidOur hearts were corrupted at the fall, we were made in the image of God that was our place, and we fell into sin, which pollutes everything we do. We are all sinners before God; without exception, there are not two different groups on the planet, the righteous and the unrighteous, when it comes to humanity on its own. Jesus didn't come to save the righteous, which is a good thing since all have sinned; instead, He came to save sinners. God in His forbearance overlooked our faults to deal with us, from the fall unto Christ, so through the bloodline of sinners, Christ came into humanity.
Reading through the last few exchanges that have taken place I take away two things.
1) I am in agreement with Kelly over this point that it's about heart motivation, hence you can’t buy your way into salvation through heavy donations into the charity box; your love of your brother (that includes sister) must be from the heart.
2) That there has been corruption of the ...[text shortened]... h that, as after all he is the greater authority?)
Why would any such person NOT be blood guilty?
He heals/sanctifies us from the inside out but requires He is in us; we can do nothing without Him. It is Christ in us, our hope of glory; without His Spirit, we don't belong to God, so it is a relational walk with God, not a set of rules, not a job to be done so at the end, we receive a payday, eternal life.
He is our example; God could have come into the world as King, God ruler of all, instead of a baby, born into a low-income family, and the way He was born made Mary look like she did something out of wedlock. When they went to the temple after He was born, they had to offer the poor man gift; when He lived, it was a man who worked with His hands; He had nowhere to lay His head, no home of His own. When He died, He was wiped, humiliated, stripped, and hung on a cross, which in the law has anyone who was hung on a tree was cursed. He was buried in a borrowed tomb. That is love that God shows us, that we need to show each other, looking at the needs and meeting them.
His love for us turned the sinless Word of God into sin; the Son of God actually born our shame, took the entire payment for all of our sins upon Himself so the guilty could be redeemed. This would also include all of our sins, not just those we did before we go to God. Being God He sees the beginning, now, and the end there isn't anything that He doesn't know, at our worse, He came and died for us. So admitting our guilt, asking for forgiveness is simply walking in reality with Him who already knows. We are to love one another, but the world has several versions of what that means, and only through God do we get a clear picture. His version of love is seeing the needs and meeting them, not out of our abundance but with all we have. Perfect love is laying down one life for someone else which God showed us in that He did that for us. We see examples of that when someone to their own harm puts others first, when parents love their kids they do what they need to do for them. That is love.
War is a difficult thing, but between Christian brothers on different sides, I can only imagine if they kill one another once on the other side, they party together. Apologies for the book I just wrote.
22 Nov 21
We will have to agree to differ - that's me with both of you (on this one).
Personally I can not see how murdering somebody can be excused so lightly, but we are living at a time of great deception (Rev 13:14) and the whole way of the world and media is to de-sensitise people so that the unacceptable seems to be acceptable.
Just to complete this in my own mind can you two answer this for me?
If there was an election and you guys voted, knowing that the party that you were voting for intended to kill people - and they got in and went ahead and did it; would you consider yourselves complicit to murder?
22 Nov 21
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@medullah saidMurder is the unlawful taking of a life.
We will have to agree to differ - that's me with both of you (on this one).
Personally I can not see how murdering somebody can be excused so lightly, but we are living at a time of great deception (Rev 13:14) and the whole way of the world and media is to de-sensitise people so that the unacceptable seems to be acceptable.
Just to complete this in my own mind can you ...[text shortened]... ople - and they got in and went ahead and did it; would you consider yourselves complicit to murder?
The Kingdom of God is about justice and mercy while we are looking for merit. God will have mercy on who He will have mercy, His mercy, His grace is given by God as He sees fit. He gives mercy for those that ask for it; if no one cares to ask for His mercy they don't get it either. If we think we don't require His mercy, they don't get God's mercy, they get what they trust too. If we refuse to show mercy to those who wrong us, we will not be forgiven either if we don't forgive as we are forgiven. All sins mean all sins, there isn't a single sinner that Jesus didn't die for, so any of us can come not because we deserve it but because of what Jesus did. I was listening to someone and they brought another point, God grants mercy to those that don't abuse it too, meaning those that love their sin and want to stay in it.
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22 Nov 21
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. The correct Gospel of Christ [which Paul did actually repeat], must have these 4 core elements
1. Faith and Baptism
2. A change of lifestyle, repentance and avoiding sin
3. Righteousness and Good Works
4. The consequences of disobedience
Paul preached "the unsearchable riches of Christ as the gospel."
"To me, less than the least of all saints, was this grace given to announce to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ as the gospel." (Eph. 3:8)
Every correct gospel message must contain these critical 8 crucial core points:
1. Christ is living and available
2. Christ is living and available
3. Christ is living and available
4. Christ is living and available
5. Christ is living and available
6. Christ is living and available
7. Christ is living and available
8. The Lord Jesus Christ is LIVING and AVAILABLE
22 Nov 21
@medullah saidYou need to be more specific. If the party is the type that has an agenda to commit wanton unprovoked killing like what happened in Rwanda some years ago, then yes the voter is complicit to murder. A govt defending itself from, and killing aggressive neighbours is not guilty of murder.
If there was an election and you guys voted, knowing that the party that you were voting for intended to kill people - and they got in and went ahead and did it; would you consider yourselves complicit to murder?
22 Nov 21
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@kellyjay saidThere is a simple reason for that, which I have already stated.
You quote scripture all of the time; what you say about it and what the whole Bible says is where you and I part company.
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
You believe that the scripture (the whole bible) is the way, the truth and the life
So the Gospel in which I believe comes from Jesus Christ
The teachings that I follow comes from Jesus Christ.
Yours is from THE WHOLE BIBLE.
22 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidThose two don’t conflict with each other in context, Christ is our Savior, those who wrote the gospels about Christ and other letters were His, with the Holy Spirit who Jesus said would also teach us. You are making a distinction between Jesus and the Holy Spirit which isn’t there, God is One.
There is a simple reason for that, which I have already stated.
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
You believe that the scripture (the whole bible) is the way, the truth and the life
So the Gospel in which I believe comes from Jesus Christ
The teachings that I follow comes from Jesus Christ.
Yours is from THE WHOLE BIBLE.
22 Nov 21
@kellyjay saidNo actually, the distinction is between
Those two don’t conflict with each other in context, Christ is our Savior, those who wrote the gospels about Christ and other letters were His, with the Holy Spirit who Jesus said would also teach us. You are making a distinction between Jesus and the Holy Spirit which isn’t there, God is One.
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22 Nov 21
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@kellyjay saidYour church doctrine, whose do you think Im referring to. The scripture has been used since they were written to justify all manner of sin, evil, false doctrines, false predictions. They scripture is a bad tool in the hands of an evil man or a fool. You are such a person.
What church doctrine are you referring to? What have I said that was not backed up by scripture?
Jesus said the wise man hears his voice and keeps his commandments. The fool does not.
Paul is a wise man, he hears the teachings of Christ and preached that
Peter is a wise man, he heard the teachings of Christ and preached that
John is a wise man, he heard the teachings of Christ and preached that
James is a wise man, he heard the teachings of Christ and preached that
These Apostles and Disciples all preached this Gospel of Christ
- Faith and Baptism
- A change of lifestyle, repentance and avoiding sin
- Righteousness and Good Works
- The consequences of disobedience
Your church hears the voice of Satan and preach another gospel.
22 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidYou want it both ways when other text contradicts your personal doctrine you don’t address the controversy surrounding your claims, then you say there are no contradictions, when obviously there are with your beliefs.
Your church doctrine, whose do you think Im referring to. The scripture has been used since they were written to justify all manner of sin, evil, false doctrines, false predictions. They scripture is a bad tool in the hands of an evil man or a fool. You are such a person.
Jesus said the wise man hears his voice and keeps his commandments. The fool does not.
Paul is a ...[text shortened]... The consequences of disobedience
Your church hears the voice of Satan and preach another gospel.
22 Nov 21
@kellyjay saidDid you not say you are going through some health issues ... well, clearly your ability to think and reason is not up to par. get some help.
You want it both ways when other text contradicts your personal doctrine you don’t address the controversy surrounding your claims, then you say there are no contradictions, when obviously there are with your beliefs.