The Myth: Once saved always saved!

Originally posted by Pudgenik
The promise of the rapture will be shown as a falsehood, and the promise of the one world church. The power it will have with it's master at the helm, will seduce them.

The rapture [as far as I know] refers to the 'meeting the Lord in the air' as described in 1 Thes 4:13-17. Are you saying this would not happen or that it will not happen the way many expect.

Originally posted by checkbaiter

It is written, God detests sin. Sin cannot be in the presence of God. So if you become sin, if your heart is filled with sin, God WILL reject you.

This is where you and Raj are mistaken and continue to err.
Sin has been dealt with in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Sin is no longer an issue. The veil of the temple was rent in two, symbol ...[text shortened]... f he did, then he would have to apologize to Jesus Christ.
America is destroying itself by sin.

" Sin has been dealt with in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Sin is no longer an issue."

1.27. Christ took our place and accepted the punishment of separation from God the Father during those final three hours of the crucifixion. His finished work atoned for the sins of all mankind; and in doing so propitiated (satisfied) the Righteousness and Justice of God. All who reject God's Grace Gift are without hope and without eternal life. “God demonstrates His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died as a substitute for us.” (Revelation 20:10b)

Yes, checkbaiter, sin isn't an issue in Salvation; the issue then is an individual's attitude toward Jesus Christ. Sin isn't an issue at the Last Judgment; the issue then is human good works in lieu of God's Righteousness imputed positionally by the Holy Spirit to each Believer in Christ at the moment of Salvation. Sin is an issue in the life of a Believer; 1 John 1:9 "If we confess [identify, name] our sins, He [God] is faithful [His Immutability always does the same thing] and just [fair] to forgive our sins and cleanse us of all righteousness [unknown sins that we have not named]." The issue is Grace.

Originally posted by checkbaiter

It is written, God detests sin. Sin cannot be in the presence of God. So if you become sin, if your heart is filled with sin, God WILL reject you.

This is where you and Raj are mistaken and continue to err.
Sin has been dealt with in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Sin is no longer an issue. The veil of the temple was rent in two, symbol ...[text shortened]... f he did, then he would have to apologize to Jesus Christ.
America is destroying itself by sin.

Again, your posts are very unBiblical. Nothing you write makes sense to me.

Paul explains in detail the concept of Gods Grace in Romans chap 3, 4, and 5. I understand those chapter fully. In Romans Chapter 6, Paul starts off with a warning for those who misunderstand what Grace is about :

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Thats like saying .. "HELL NO, YOU CANNOT CONTINUE ON WITH SIN"

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Again, Paul is warning against believing that you can sin because you are under Grace and not under the Law.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Sin leads to Death and Obedience leads to Righteousness

Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Paul is saying it again
SIN = DEATH
RIGHTEOUSNESS = HOLINESS = EVERLASTING LIFE

Note that all of this is AFTER we have been baptised into Christ and accepted Christ.
AFTER we have Gods Grace.

YOU CANNOT CONTINUE ON IN SIN AND EXPECT TO GET ETERNAL LIFE.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Again, your posts are very unBiblical. Nothing you write makes sense to me.

Paul explains in detail the concept of Gods Grace in Romans chap 3, 4, and 5. I understand those chapter fully. In Romans Chapter 6, Paul starts off with a warning for those who misunderstand what Grace is about :

[i]Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, t ...[text shortened]... ist.
AFTER we have Gods Grace.

YOU CANNOT CONTINUE ON IN SIN AND EXPECT TO GET ETERNAL LIFE.

Wrong again. All the verses you just quoted do not say you lose salvation.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
" Sin has been dealt with in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Sin is no longer an issue."

1.27. Christ took our place and accepted the punishment of separation from God the Father during those final three hours of the crucifixion. [i]His finished work atoned for the sins of all mankind; and in doing so propitiated (satisfied) the Righteousness and Just ...[text shortened]... and cleanse us of all righteousness [unknown sins that we have not named]." The issue is Grace.

Sin is an issue in the life of a believer because we allow Satan to wreak havoc in our lives. It also shipwrecks our faith, confidence towards God.
We also allow Satan to cause disease,etc.
So yes 1 John 1:9 is to repent in our minds, not to satisfy God. He has already forgiven.
God does not just "forgive" sins. There must be atonement, the shedding of blood. Jesus cannot be crucified every day. We sin every day.
But thank God all our sins were forgiven and atoned for at the cross, once for all time.
In other words, past, present and future.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Wrong again. All the verses you just quoted do not say you lose salvation.

How blind and deluded and you be. Paul is saying very very clearly that one path leads to eternal life and another leads to death.

The Bible did say that many would be fooled by false doctrines in end times and it is obvious that your departure from the teachings of the Apostles is proof that this OSAS foolishness is one such example.

Originally posted by Rajk999
How blind and deluded and you be. Paul is saying very very clearly that one path leads to eternal life and another leads to death.

The Bible did say that many would be fooled by false doctrines in end times and it is obvious that your departure from the teachings of the Apostles is proof that this OSAS foolishness is one such example.

Sin leads to physical death, yes, not eternal death. Why can't you see that?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Sin leads to physical death, yes, not eternal death. Why can't you see that?

I can't see that because Satan has not infected my mind.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I can't see that because Satan has not infected my mind.

Maybe, but religion has.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Maybe, but religion has.

I don't belong to any religion. You do.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I don't belong to any religion. You do.

Nope..

Originally posted by Rajk999
Apparently Checkbaiter thinks its a fair representation of the doctrine of the OSAS camp, hence his response.

I was talking about you misrepresenting me, not wether checkbaiter thinks something is fair or not.

Originally posted by Rajk999
The rapture [as far as I know] refers to the 'meeting the Lord in the air' as described in 1 Thes 4:13-17. Are you saying this would not happen or that it will not happen the way many expect.

Meeting the Lord in the air, is correct. But there are some churches that teach a false docturine, that we will escape before the ---- hits the fan. Nearly everyone alive today will experience the anti-christ.

Originally posted by checkbaiter

It is written, God detests sin. Sin cannot be in the presence of God. So if you become sin, if your heart is filled with sin, God WILL reject you.

This is where you and Raj are mistaken and continue to err.
Sin has been dealt with in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Sin is no longer an issue. The veil of the temple was rent in two, symbol ...[text shortened]... f he did, then he would have to apologize to Jesus Christ.
America is destroying itself by sin.

"Sin has been dealt with and is no longer an issue". The Holy Spirit, in me, reacted strongly against this statement.

The door that was closed by Adam's sin, thought the sacrifice of Jesus, was reopened.

There is so much emphisis on why we should not sin written in the scripture that it logically makes no sense to the concept of once saved always save. If the concept was true, osas, then why bother at all with all the parables and all the emphisis of not sinning, that concept would make no sense.

Why bother talking about old and new wine skins. Unless you only think Jesus is taking about making wine.
Why would scripture state things like: He who exacts vengeance will experience the vengeance of the Lord, who keeps strict account of sin.