What!? Not Talk About the Trinity ?

Originally posted by divegeester
You think this is a scary question 🙄

It may not be scary. But to attempt to explain with out limited minds and the shortage of human language is kind of awesome.

We Christians speak about it not because we can fully explain God, but in order not to remain completely silent.

Augustine (A.D. 354-430) put it well - (my bolding)

Certainly they are three, and so it is said plurally, "I and my Father are one." for He has not said, "is one," as the Sabellians say, but, "are one," yet, when the question is asked, what three? human language labors altogether under great poverty of speech. The answer, however, is given three "Persons," not that it might be completely spoken, but that it might not be left wholly unspoken.

[ On The Trinity, Augustine, 1rst Series, Vol III. p.92 - copied from "The Testimony of Church History Regarding the Mystery of the Triune God" by Bill Freemoan, Stream Publishers. ]

Originally posted by divegeester
Because I believe they are the same person, sonship believes they are three distinct persons.

But he says Jesus is God...There are so many versions of the Trinity, I can't keep up.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
But he says Jesus [b]is God...There are so many versions of the Trinity, I can't keep up.[/b]

We both want to enter the narrow gate and walk the constricted way.

I cannot do it unless I worship Jesus as my Lord and my God. It is not good enough that He left a good example. I cannot imitate Him like a poodle walking on its hind legs like a man. I must have the Christ of the New Testament - IN ME as God, to be my life.

Gifts is not life.
Power alone is not life.
Enthusiasm is not life.
Knowledge is not life.

Jesus Christ the Person indwelling me, the dispensed living One, He is life.
He is "the Prince of Life".

if you have a better way to enter the narrow gate and walk the constricted way, you take it. I cannot do so without confessing Jesus as my Lord and my God and my very life.

Originally posted by sonship
We both want to enter the narrow gate and walk the constricted way.

I cannot do it unless I worship Jesus as my Lord and my God. It is not good enough that He left a good example. I cannot imitate Him like a poodle walking on its hind legs like a man. I must have the Christ of the New Testament - IN ME as God, to be my life.

Gifts is not lif ...[text shortened]... ake it. I cannot do so without confessing Jesus as my Lord and my God and my very life.

Did you think I disagree? I don't, but I worship God and Jesus.
Before you say it, no they are not the same, nor am I worshipping two Gods.
I worship God and He has set before me His highly exalted Son.
He tells me to listen to His Son, to embrace him and be in union with him.
I am doing what God commands.
I think one of the Psalms or Proverbs says "kiss the Son" lest....
This tells me to worship God through Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
But he says Jesus [b]is God...There are so many versions of the Trinity, I can't keep up.[/b]

I think you are just pretending.

Originally posted by sonship
The Word was a He before incarnation. John does not say " IT was in the beginning with God" but -

[b]"He as in the beginning with God" ( John 1:2)

Some may well point out that the literal would mean "This One".

"This One" is not an ITunless you want to say God is an IT too. For " ... and the W ...[text shortened]... t the earth (Who was with Me?); (Isaiah 44:24b) [/quote]

The Triune God is the reality.[/b]

The trinity teaching is error.

Originally posted by sonship
It may not be scary. But to attempt to explain with out limited minds and the shortage of human language is kind of awesome.

We Christians speak about it not because we can fully explain God, but in order not to remain completely silent.

[b] Augustine (A.D. 354-430) put it well - (my bolding)

[quote] Certainly they are three, and so it is s ...[text shortened]... rch History Regarding the Mystery of the Triune God"[/b] by Bill Freemoan, Stream Publishers. ][/b]

When you say "we Christians" is that you, trying to exclude me?

Originally posted by divegeester
When you say "we Christians" is that you, trying to exclude me?

What makes you a Christian, besides your say so?
You certainly never display a shred of anything associated with Christ or His teachings.
Just arrogance, spite and attitude. Your words resemble more of the 'adversary'.

Originally posted by divegeester
I think you are just pretending.

Pretending what? That I can't keep up? I don't know all the variations of Trinity beliefs.
Some say Jesus and God are one, some say they are co-equal, some say all three are equal but are one and the same, some say all three are separate, and on and on.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Pretending what? That I can't keep up? I don't know all the variations of Trinity beliefs.
Some say Jesus and God are one, some say they are co-equal, some say all three are equal but are one and the same, some say all three are separate, and on and on.

It's rather easy if you believe the Bible.

(Deuteronomy 6:4, 5) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. 5 You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength.

(Psalm 83:18) May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

(Isaiah 43:10, 11) “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. 11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”

Neither the word trinity nor the idea of a three in one God are i the Bible.
These things are invented by man.

Originally posted by roigam
It's rather easy if you believe the Bible.

(Deuteronomy 6:4, 5) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. 5 You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength.

(Psalm 83:18) May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

(Isaiah 43:10, 11) “You are my w ...[text shortened]... d trinity nor the idea of a three in one God are i the Bible.
These things are invented by man.

That last verse is suspect. Isaiah 43:11. What does that mean....no other savior? If Jesus is supposed to be savior?

Originally posted by roigam
It's rather easy if you believe the Bible.

(Deuteronomy 6:4, 5) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. 5 You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength.

(Psalm 83:18) May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

(Isaiah 43:10, 11) “You are my w ...[text shortened]... d trinity nor the idea of a three in one God are i the Bible.
These things are invented by man.

That is not what I am talking about, thank you.
I already know all of this.
I am talking about the different definitions of the Trinity.
By the way, Jehovah is just one name for Yahway.

Originally posted by chaney3
That last verse is suspect. Isaiah 43:11. What does that mean....no other savior? If Jesus is supposed to be savior?

It means it was God's plan in the first place. Jesus was part of His plan.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
It means it was God's plan in the first place. Jesus was part of His plan.

The verse seems to imply that only God himself would be savior?
I don't recall reading that before.

Originally posted by chaney3
The verse seems to imply that only God himself would be savior?
I don't recall reading that before.

You won't. God is the author of salvation.
He promised a savior in Genesis 3:15