What!? Not Talk About the Trinity ?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Cyrus had faith, but not in Yahweh. (Who he did not acknowledge).

‘I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge me’” (Isaiah 45:1, 4).

Cyrus was a pagan dude and still pleased God. Deal with it.

yes but tis nothing new, there are many instances of God using those who were not his worshippers to accomplish his will. Why should that be of some surprise I cannot say.

Originally posted by FMF
Well I did read sonship's post. That's the whole point. I read it. Did you? He compared me to a pick pocket stealing things from other posters. Hence my question to sonship: 'What is it it you think is being stolen from you'?

I said that you cheated readers. Here's how you cheated them. You boasted several times that you have years of experience as a Christian.

If I come to this Forum and announce that I was a staunch Atheist for 30 years, I would be cheating readers. Unless I could demonstrate that I was indeed familiar with all the baggage of atheism

I would be exaggerating, short changing, giving an insincere impression, and therefore a kind of cheating.

Of course if someone asked me to prove that I really was for 30 years a seasoned Atheist i could evade and say "Oh it doesn't matter anymore what i thought for all those years."

More likely the case is that I'd be giving a false impression of my life.

Originally posted by sonship
I said that you cheated readers. Here's how you cheated them. You boasted several times that you have years if experience as a Christian.

If I come to this Forum and announce that I was a staunch Atheist for 30 years, I would be cheating readers. Unless I could demonstrate that I was indeed familiar with all the baggage of atheism

I would be exaggera ...[text shortened]... all those years."

More likely the case is that I'd be giving a false impression of my life.

You compared me to a pick pocket as if I was stealing something from other members of this community. Hence my question. What is it it you think is being stolen from you?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes but tis nothing new, there are many instances of God using those who were not his worshippers to accomplish his will. Why should that be of some surprise I cannot say.

But he didn't just 'use' Cyrus to accomplish his will, he bestowed on him a title of honor.

Do you not find it curious that he made such an unbeliever His shepherd?

Originally posted by FMF
You compared me to a pick pocket as if I was stealing something from other members of this community. Hence my question. What is it it you think is being stolen from you?

Your recollection of how I used pickpocket example is a little askew.
Paranoia - that is what the pickpocket example was for.

Paranoia of something happening to you which you have done to others.
You're exploiting the analogy. i see you.

Again,, the cheating is the false autobiographical sketch of yourself as a Christian.
I call you on it.

"I was there. I was there for 30 years." I call you on it and say I think you're cheating readers here.

How did you get converted to be a Christian in the first place? You were just born and brought up in the West ? Is that it?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Nobody automatically does good works after becoming a Christian. Thats nonsense and it is not in the Bible. You keep saying this and keep quoting irrelevant passages to prove it and it makes no sense. Even those with the Spirit of God / Christ do not necessarily do good works and can choose to continue with sin and evil as clearly stated here, and these Chr ...[text shortened]... a free ride [ doing nothing but lip service] into the Kingdom of God, then you are a freeloader.

I get you are into works, to the point that you think anyone even if they don't have Jesus
in their lives can do good works and be approved by God because of their good works.
That is not scriptural. What you are rejecting is scripture that has us being told our good
works are not enough, and scripture is quite clear, but you think you know better. We are
saved by grace through faith, it isn't from ourselves through works! I don't see how you
think what scripture I have shared with you on this is irrelevant since it touches all the
points we are both making.

In your case you are being show how wrong you are by telling you that we are not saved
by our works, but by the grace God has given us through faith, it isn't of ourselves. That
scripture again is not irrelevant since it also tells us that we are God's handiwork created
in Christ to do good works. Yet your faulty claims have suggested that Jesus isn't needed,
that people do not have to have Jesus or believe in Him as long as they are doing good
works are in good standing with God and can be saved by their works.

When have you seen me suggest anything remotely to those who are saved by God's
grace through faith can choose to live a life sin?

Tell me in scripture does it say whoever does not believe in Jesus stands condemned
already? If they stand before God already condemned, you think whatever they are
currently doing in this condemned state is pleasing to God to the point of being apart of
His Kingdom?


Ephesian 2:
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Originally posted by sonship
Your recollection of how I used pickpocket example is a little askew.
Paranoia - that is what the pickpocket example was for.

Paranoia? Here is what you said:

sonship: "I suspect that the reason you are so suspicious of Christians, so desirous to get behind the scene to find out what their tricks are, and how they are attempting to take advantage of you is a huge projection of your own methods. [...] Like the pick pocket who cautiously guards his own pocket. He does so because he knows how easy it is to slip his hand in someone's pocket to steal. You're projecting out of your knowledge that you yourself have been a sensationalist fraudulent exaggerator. "

My question: What is it it you think is being stolen from you?

Originally posted by sonship
Again,, the cheating is the false autobiographical sketch of yourself as a Christian. I call you on it. "I was there. I was there for 30 years." I call you on it and say I think you're cheating readers here.

If you believe that I am lying - cheating - stealing - defrauding - being diseased - corrupted - or whatever else you have been tossing in of late - that's fine by me.

Originally posted by KellyJay
.. anyone even if they don't have Jesus in their lives ...

Are you the judge of who has Jesus in their lives and who does not?

What is your criteria of having Jesus in ones life?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Are you the judge of who has Jesus in their lives and who does not?

What is your criteria of having Jesus in ones life?

Nope, never claimed I was the judge of who has Jesus in their lives either.
You have a point?
Do you think anyone of us can know this?
What the scriptures says is our only sure place to go.
Scripture says if you do not believe in Jesus you are condemned already I accept that.
You seem to reject scripture on that point, so maybe you have better insight on the truth
than the Word of God?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Nope, never claimed I was the judge of who has Jesus in their lives either.
You have a point?
Do you think anyone of us can know this?
What the scriptures says is our only sure place to go.
Scripture says if you do not believe in Jesus you are condemned already I accept that.
You seem to reject scripture on that point, so maybe you have better insight on the truth
than the Word of God?

Are you then a judge of who believes in Jesus?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
“He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please.”

You don't think God would have been pleased with his anointed shepherd accomplishing all that he wanted?

Oh, I see what you mean and you are correct. But it is still a play on words because Cyrus could have pleased God not for the purpose of pleasing God, but to please himself.
Where people of faith want to please God period.
God looks at the heart. But you do have a point.🙂
I also agree with Rajk that not all people of faith please God nor want to.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Oh, I see what you mean and you are correct. But it is still a play on words because Cyrus could have pleased God not for the purpose of pleasing God, but to please himself.
Where people of faith want to please God period.
God looks at the heart. But you do have a point.🙂
I also agree with Rajk that not all people of faith please God nor want to.

An impressively magnanimous post sir.

🙂

Originally posted by Rajk999
Are you then a judge of who believes in Jesus?

I already answered that question

Originally posted by KellyJay
I already answered that question

I never asked you that so how can you already answer it. You are a comedian.

In any event you get the point. You cannot judge who believes and who does not.

God alone knows who his followers are, and who gets into the Kingdom .. not you.